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Old 26 Sep 2006, 16:30 (Ref:1720483)   #1
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Lola T290

I build up a list about LOLA T290 raced in 1972 with chassic numers at: http://www.racecar-collection.com/T290-history.jsp

Informations are missing about some cars:

HU 004, may be the car was raced by Giorgio Danieli in Vallelunga 23.4.1972?

HU 007 was sold to Mr. Osella at 5.5.1972, who raced this car in 1972?

HU 012, is this the car Antonio Zadra drove at Targa Florio 21.5.72?

HU 016, no information from 1972!!

There are more questions, I hope you have a lot of anwers .....

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Old 28 Sep 2006, 10:59 (Ref:1721927)   #2
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Anyone help Wolfgang here? I note that there are question marks against some of the other chassis numbers on the list, too. Can we expand on this info. to provide broader histories for these cars?
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 00:15 (Ref:1725806)   #3
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the list is my list i made the past 12 months working from martin krecji list with my extra input bounced onto MK for comments and info ive found

the questions wolfgang has raised are questions ive raised on zadra car ( i ws looking at buying it) and the hu7 car i believe is the osella abarth engined car driven by facetti now in usa with ford power
hu4 does not seem to show up from the records or race result info from AS or web pages

i know who had what car in japan and im keeping it to myself
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 07:25 (Ref:1725967)   #4
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the list is my list i made the past 12 months working from martin krecji list with my extra input bounced onto MK for comments and info ive found
Are you saying that we shouldn't be using this source of info, here, drifty?

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i know who had what car in japan and im keeping it to myself
So, exactly how does this help us build the archive, then?
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 08:19 (Ref:1726026)   #5
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im not mentioned nor is Mk in the "credits" so im making my point known that when he wins an oscar that he doesnt forget me in his acceptance speach

i made the list for my own reference whilst researching a certain chassis number and worked off MK list on his wspr site

i mailed MK with my "findings" asked a few other posters on this site directly for info
i mailed a few people the list for our own self gratification and Wolfgang was 1 of them as he has the original JoBo hu2 car

i dont have major qualms over the list but im sure you get my "drift" ( no pun intend and no taken) that he has not done the grafting MK did the extensive research and im alwys keen to press that point and i filled in many gaps or corrected a few "errors" or added extra info

So MK and i can share the laurels not Wolfgang !
As my mother would say
" its abloody cheek!"

Im sure my point has now been made I have not asked MK for his view but Im sure he will concurr
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 11:55 (Ref:1726283)   #6
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List T290 1972

At first a little bit background:
My busines interests have nothing to do with cars, racecars are just my private hobby since a long time. I startet middle of the 60th with ralleys, drove in the 70th slalom and drove since the 80th on racetracks modern cars. 1989 I race the first time a historic racecar and have much fun with my little ELVA. 1994 I race the last time a modern Porsche at Daytona. My Lola T290 I race since 1994. In the meantime there are new rules for historic cars. We have to sorted out the history of our cars without gaps for the Heritage Papers! If we dont do this job we have to race in future against modern replikas like new Chevron B16 (sorry Helen and Vin)!!

Some years ago I startet a private internet-site to share my private pictures of my historic cars with the internet community. There are monthly more than 100.000 hits. (in the meantime I host for a friend the story of a modern LMS car). Some month ago I started the T290 list about the drivers who drove a T290 in 1972 with pics from 1972 and frome today. I collect information from racecar books, magasines and from the internet. The site of Mr. Roman Krejci is a excellence work and very helpful to cross scheck informations, my complements to Mr. Kejci! I try in my T290 list to clear up the year 1972, to have for everyone a base for historic papers, I dont want to make somebody angry, I only collect public informations and try to give correct infos about copyright of the shown pics.

Excuse to everone, special to Mr. Driftwood .........

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 13:59 (Ref:1726422)   #7
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the list is my list i made the past 12 months working from martin krecji list with my extra input bounced onto MK for comments and info ive found

the questions wolfgang has raised are questions ive raised on zadra car ( i ws looking at buying it) and the hu7 car i believe is the osella abarth engined car driven by facetti now in usa with ford power
hu4 does not seem to show up from the records or race result info from AS or web pages

i know who had what car in japan and im keeping it to myself
driftwood, what do you meen "the list is my list"? I never see or get a list from you! There are a lot of questions round the T290 in 1972. I get a lot of information from Alain Hache and other community members.

Why you are sure the Facetti car is HU7? Carlo Facetti race in Vallelunga at the 23.4. the car of Mr. Osella with the Abarth engine, Autosport write 13.4.1972 on page 8/9: "...Althrough Osella's chlaimed power figures are just about the same as the good FVC ... So far two of the engines are complete while 10 more await parts depenting ...These will be fitted into Lola chassis including for the works cars .... driven bei Toine Hezemans who was not too happy for this rae as he was expecting one of the new Lola Abarth T290s by this time, but which now will probably not be ready until Vallelunga." BONNIER sale the T290 HU7 at 5th May 1972 to Osella and Mr Osella must have a T290 latest beginnung of April!! A mean a higher chance to be the Facetti car has HU4, BONNIERE get HU4 in February, HU7 beginning of April.
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 14:19 (Ref:1726445)   #8
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Welcome to 10 Tenths. I think all drifty means is that he contributed to the list that Martin Krejci published and now belongs to classiscars. As you will have used that in your research, some of the information you have will have come from drifty.

I am impressed by the breadth of your sources. I hope we can help you with your research.

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 14:23 (Ref:1726449)   #9
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driftwood, what do you meen "the list is my list"? I never see or get a list from you! There are a lot of questions round the T290 in 1972. I get a lot of information from Alain Hache and other community members
Oh yes, you did; I can mail it to you again !!
I sent the list to people like Alain for comments, but anyway I'm not going to split hairs.
I am making the point that I had a list from Krecjis site that I amended and you now raise questions from!!

HU4 has no info so it is a mystery. However I think that JoBo kept the 1st 5 cars for his own team drivers and customers got the next built cars?
SO FAR NO ONE HAS FOUND hu4 CAR RACING !!

I made an educated guess at Osella having hu7 with Abarth engine as the car was used twice?
On Krecjis list, Osella had 3 cars but I think 2 are the Minel racing cars. I have tried to contact Osella directly for info but no reply yet. I even asked Italian historic racer for help but still no info yet

There are other records of Lola 290 Abarth running in later years and I have French hillclimb ( FIA round) with Italian driver in 290 Abarth. We do not actually know how many cars ran with Abarth engines. Even the Moser/Nicodemi car ran Abarth and Ford power and I await Mosers mechanic meeting Tonio to ask the question of the engine fitted to his car hu20 for TF 1972 race.

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 15:25 (Ref:1726501)   #10
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Wolfgang

Welcome to 10 Tenths. I think all drifty means is that he contributed to the list that Martin Krejci published and now belongs to classiscars. As you will have used that in your research, some of the information you have will have come from drifty.

I am impressed by the breadth of your sources. I hope we can help you with your research.

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Thank you Allen for your welcome! I know the list of Martin Kejci, but I use a handwritten list about the dates of T290 cars (chassic-number, invoice date, colour, destination, dealer etc, but no owner ). The most information fit to the list of Martin Kejci, but not all. I am pleased about every one who share his informations and pictures with the internet community and say "thank you" in advance! Wolfgang
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 15:48 (Ref:1726518)   #11
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all cars went to Bonnier from factory as he was the agent only 1 car sold to UK for Guy edwards team so all Lola file will have is the chassis number body colour and delivery date
You need Bonnier/Mader sales file for the customer of each car

Krecji created his list 4 years ago i gave alterartions this year of my research into 1 particular chassis number i was searching then i find Mosers mechanic and he told me about the 2 lolas he prepared for Silvio and i eliminated many cars that martin had wrong info on as some of these cars are now in UK

so only 3 or cars are un accounted for hu4 prior to the italians running the car
hu 1
hu 12 i made the comment that zadra may hav erace dthis car on TF as his car crashed at vallelunga race and the TF race report said Zadra in a new car ( however he could have a new tub and rebuilt car for TF ? it needs the factory records to advise if they sold new tub around this time or in fact Zadra had anew car) he returns to french race in his original hu8 car

so far hu 16 has no info
I am puzzled on the 2 or 3 cars that went to usa where did they race them
later 294 cars raced in Can Am events
i have heard that some 290 cars where scrapped in mid 70 early 80`s old cars no where to race them these USA cars have not surfaced
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Old 3 Oct 2006, 16:27 (Ref:1726548)   #12
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The cars that went to the USA were eligible for BSR and raced in SCCA Nationals. Pete Harrison (Atlanta, GA) won the Run-Offs that year in one and Mike Hall (Chicago, IL) also raced one in Central Division. I don't know where the third one went. Hall retained his for 1973 and then got a T294 - which may have been his T290 upgraded.

HU27 was Carl Thompson's 1975 and 1976 car ('76 Run-Offs winner) which then went to Warren Purdy for the new Can-Am. Thompson was from Wilmington, DE. Another of the US cars, HU34, went to Dave Johnson for 1976 but again we haven't figured out its first owner. The third, HU28, has vanished (for now).

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 16:52 (Ref:1726563)   #13
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My records mean that 3 T290 was sold from LOLA in GBin 1972: HU22, HU26 and HU29. Mr Guy Edwards race the T290 1.4.72 in Snetterton, but Lola sale HU22 at the 30.3. to Mr. Edwards! HU1 was shown Januar 72 in Paris, "Mr. Edwards did much of the development worK" (source: LOLA the illustrated history..). He win Snetterton, do he race HU1 ?? It was the first race of a T290 and the car was well sorted, nearly unpossible without testing the car. HU1 is my tip!!!!

I hope to recive the "Bonnier list" next month ...

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Have you checked for T290s in French and Italian hillclimbs?

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Old 3 Oct 2006, 17:15 (Ref:1726715)   #15
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HU27 was Carl Thompson's 1975 and 1976 car ('76 Run-Offs winner long time after 1972 when car was sold so what did it do for 3 years?
Hall retained his for 1973 and then got a T294 - which may have been his T290 upgraded. To upgarde would be cheaper than selling 290 and buying 294 it was bodywork and rear uprights 2 rear wheels 290 car had Girling AR calipres 292 onwards AP as std but they where a factory upgrade option
BSR and raced in SCCA Nationals what are these events?? tell me more

was the 280 raced in december 71 at Temporada or was it the 290?
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