Vitaphone invitation, should the Mazza be at LM? - Page 3

Doc Hollywood · 28 Dec 2006, 07:47 (Ref:1800248)

People seem to be literally divided down the middle! It's still 50/50 after 70 votes!

I think it should be there, it's a 24 hour race for prototype and exotic cars, and in my oppinion it definitley falls under the exotic cars banner. I personally don't give a damn if the car has a performance advantage, it still has to last 24hrs.

**Bentley03** · 28 Dec 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1800284)

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Originally Posted by Doc Hollywood

People seem to be literally divided down the middle! It's still 50/50 after 70 votes!

I better tip the balance back again then. I love the car, and it's so incredibly frustrating that such a magnificent machine will never have the chance to race at Le Mans. But I just don't believe the ACO would be right to change their stance.

**Adam43** · 28 Dec 2006, 09:39 (Ref:1800299)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

I better tip the balance back again then.

Someone has tipped it back the other way again

36-36

**Dani Filth** · 28 Dec 2006, 09:57 (Ref:1800311)

guilty

**Bentley03** · 28 Dec 2006, 10:02 (Ref:1800315)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Someone has tipped it back the other way again

36-36

And it's getting worse!

The car is clearly out of control...........

SALEEN S7R · 28 Dec 2006, 10:08 (Ref:1800320)

Justice at last for Maserati and the MC12!

old man · 28 Dec 2006, 10:23 (Ref:1800341)

Just caught up with this after the jollies, this is the same discussion as the GT3 Mosler situation, when is a race car a road car? Here in the Uk I have never seen an MC12 on the road, do they even pretend to make a road car? The MC12 is surely a Prototype and as a coupe should be in LMP1, the ACO should not even consider changing the rules for one car whoever makes it as this would lead to all sorts of problems. I'm a NO for GT1

It is not really reasonable however for the ACO not to discuss the matter with the entrant before giving him the opportunity. I am sure Mr Bartels has had a very hot telephone in the last few days offering him cars to run if not the budget to do it with, Vitaphone may get as much value from the 24 in return on investment as they will from the whole FIA series, depending on their overall market. To take a decision like that in about 10 days is risky to say the least and he may just go for a known quantity and run an Aston or 550

**Dani Filth** · 28 Dec 2006, 10:57 (Ref:1800369)

you know .. i've never seen a road going 550

SALEEN S7R · 28 Dec 2006, 10:59 (Ref:1800371)

That makes 2 of us Dani, ive never seen a road going Saleen S7 or Lamborghini Murcielago or Lister Storm either.

**Bentley03** · 28 Dec 2006, 11:07 (Ref:1800375)

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Originally Posted by old man

I am sure Mr Bartels has had a very hot telephone in the last few days offering him cars to run if not the budget to do it with, Vitaphone may get as much value from the 24 in return on investment as they will from the whole FIA series, depending on their overall market. To take a decision like that in about 10 days is risky to say the least and he may just go for a known quantity and run an Aston or 550

I really hope they can put something together. Absolutely top team (and one of the smartest liveries of any). I'd love to see them work something out with Oreca to enter one of their 'works' Saleens.

Doc Hollywood · 28 Dec 2006, 11:08 (Ref:1800376)

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Originally Posted by old man

Here in the Uk I have never seen an MC12 on the road, do they even pretend to make a road car?

I seen the road version at Le Mans this year. Fantastic machine, as a road car they are definitley in existence.

old man · 28 Dec 2006, 11:25 (Ref:1800390)

Does anybody know how many have been made?

Hammerdown · 28 Dec 2006, 11:29 (Ref:1800392)

Just had a look at their website to see if it had any info about numbers built. Couldn't find anything, but interesting to note that they claim to be still developing the car for the world's major sportscar racing series. Wonder how old that piece of copy is!

old man · 28 Dec 2006, 11:33 (Ref:1800399)

And which series are they thinking of?

**chunterer** · 28 Dec 2006, 11:41 (Ref:1800408)

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Originally Posted by Doc Hollywood

I seen the road version at Le Mans this year. Fantastic machine, as a road car they are definitley in existence.

There was one for sale at Romans or somewhere earlier in the year for about quarter of a mill!

kingkai · 28 Dec 2006, 11:48 (Ref:1800421)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

you know .. i've never seen a road going 550

Try in Amsterdam.
Seen a Ferrari: 360, 430, 550, 575 and 612

btw liked the corvette z06 and DB9 better

in real life.

Now you mention, never seen a dodge viper in Holland

F360 · 28 Dec 2006, 14:39 (Ref:1800559)

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Originally Posted by old man

Does anybody know how many have been made?

25 were made in mid 2004, then 5 more later that year.
Another 25 were made in 2005 and a further 12 Special Edition "Versione Corsa" models were made this year.

In total, 62 road cars.

Hammerdown · 28 Dec 2006, 15:02 (Ref:1800583)

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Originally Posted by F360

25 were made in mid 2004, then 5 more later that year.
Another 25 were made in 2005 and a further 12 Special Edition "Versione Corsa" models were made this year.

In total, 62 road cars.

? I make that 67. Anyway, its not many is it? I've only ever seen one on a video accompanying some bling, bling, r'n'b track. Not a good recommendation! Must say the versione corsa models do look rather nice. Wouldn't say no!

Ebi · 28 Dec 2006, 18:27 (Ref:1800682)

there is a interview on DSC with Michael Bartels about this topic

The359 · 29 Dec 2006, 02:06 (Ref:1800883)

Aren't the MC12 Corse's technically track cars, and not road cars?

Satorian · 29 Dec 2006, 04:12 (Ref:1800908)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Absolutely top team (and one of the smartest liveries of any).

Ugh, I think the Vitaphone livery is one of the ugliest and most boring liveries around. The MC12 for example looked way better in AF Corse or Racing Box paint.

SALEEN S7R · 29 Dec 2006, 05:52 (Ref:1800929)

Personally I agree with Bentley03, the Vitaphone livery is very nice I think. Yes the Racing Box livery is nice also but I prefer the Vitaphone one. AF Corse? I dont beleive they have ever ran a MC12, JMB have though, but that was in 2005. Not a bad livery, but just another red bull backed car.

mirkob · 29 Dec 2006, 07:22 (Ref:1800951)

This was the AF Corse (works Maserati) livery:

Nordic · 29 Dec 2006, 08:14 (Ref:1800969)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

There was one for sale at Romans or somewhere earlier in the year for about quarter of a mill!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MASERATI-MC12-...QQcmdZViewItem

I would bid on it, however its too long and wide to fit into my garage!

chewymonster · 29 Dec 2006, 08:34 (Ref:1800981)

I will just say that the production Maserati MC 12 is 202.5 inches long, or about the same lenght as the Audi A8, Mercedes S class and the BMW 7 series (large sedans) its cousin the Ferrari Enzo is 185.1 inches long. The Saleen is 188 inches long (production version). I think you see where I am going, the Maserati MC12 was clearly made for racing first and the production ones are for homologation requirement only, basically.

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