McLaren's latest innovation

Jukebox · 11 Mar 2003, 02:35 (Ref:532333)

Great new innovation by the Macs....curved edges on both sides of the rear wing elements. That's what i love most about formula1, teams like McLaren and Ferrari always trying and coming out with new ideas.

Last year...one of the most significant was Ferrari's periscope sgape exhaust exits that nearly all except for Sauber and the Macs didn't adopt. Those designs would add to more downforce and would make a difference on high downforce circuits like Melbourne.

But the Macs have an even better solution...not wanting to copy the Ferraris, with the new shape of those rear wings...a more concentrated and condensed flow of air which significantly contributes to more level of downforce generated.

I can't find a better of close up picture of the rear wing...

Jukebox · 11 Mar 2003, 02:36 (Ref:532334)

another one...compared to the Ferrari

J.McClane · 11 Mar 2003, 02:49 (Ref:532345)

Oh, it was an innovation?

I thought someone had just sat on them.

DNQ · 11 Mar 2003, 07:41 (Ref:532438)

Yeah, nice wings, I noticed that. I can't wait to see the MP4/18.

William Dale Jr · 11 Mar 2003, 07:55 (Ref:532441)

From memory, the BARs had them too. Or at least the wing that Crompton showed during one of the pit-pass segments did.

Jukebox · 11 Mar 2003, 09:00 (Ref:532464)

Dale Jr...I can't paste the same pic on the forum but is this the one you saw?. If it's not, remember which race and what year was it?

av8rirl · 11 Mar 2003, 09:13 (Ref:532471)

No Jukes. They had a wing similar to the Mac wing last weekend in Melbourne.

Jukebox · 11 Mar 2003, 09:24 (Ref:532476)

Nope...not the same, may looked like it but it's because of the placed small plane infront.

Glen · 11 Mar 2003, 09:51 (Ref:532484)

Very similar. Same idea but with the addition of the BAR "endplate slot".

Andrew2001 · 11 Mar 2003, 22:04 (Ref:533236)

I am really, really excited about the coming season in terms of McLaren's prospects for glory. And I have been since the middle of winter testing. My pick was Kimi to win the first race as early as December, and well, nearly....
No more Ferrari domination I think. It's finally come to an end and now we are in for an exciting season to say the very least!!

GO KIMI
GO McLAREN

neilap · 11 Mar 2003, 22:18 (Ref:533253)

Glen, you beat me to it!!

Tristan · 11 Mar 2003, 22:27 (Ref:533269)

Jukebox: I was going to post a topic on EXACTLY THIS, but I didn't know which forum to plonk it in!! You have good taste!!

I LOVE the new triple-element rear wing on the Mac. It looks GORGEOUS. The new Mac is going to be AMAZING. BRING IT OUT!! NOW!!

BD · 12 Mar 2003, 20:40 (Ref:534234)

McLaren look to be very strong this year. The new car is supposed to be very innovative. Maybe those rear wings are a preview of whats to come...
Also, I just read that the new engine in the MP4-18 makes 930hp.(F1live.com) WOW!!

ASCII Man · 12 Mar 2003, 20:46 (Ref:534245)

I wonder how long it would take before the HP's of the N/A 3.0 engines will match the Turbo 1.5 ones (1400 BHP in Quali trim!)

3-4 years perhaps?

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2003, 21:01 (Ref:534275)

I think a lot more than 3-4 years. In the last 3-4 years they haven't gained 200bhp. The Renault had approximately 750bhp in 1995.

That's 180bhp in 8 or 9 years. 1400bhp is still a couple of decades off! and, of course, it si diminishing returns until someone comes up with that next new idea (if it is out there and allowed by the rules!)

neilap · 12 Mar 2003, 21:03 (Ref:534276)

I dont think a NA motor will ever reach the 1400 hp level with the rules now in place. The revs would have to be at a ridiculous level and nothing in F1 now allows that.

930hp that is insane. Especially considering they were thought to be underpowered last year.

Tristan · 12 Mar 2003, 21:03 (Ref:534277)

But still, 930?? 930??!!! BM-double-WHO??

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2003, 21:07 (Ref:534282)

Wasn't there a team that cut a gap in the end plate just in front of the rear element last year? (and IIRC another tried just behind an element too). Hmmm. Can't remember at the moment.

ASCII Man · 12 Mar 2003, 21:19 (Ref:534299)

I thought that the periscopic exhaustpipes were introduced by McLaren in '00-'01?
I think i remember a Belgian commentator saying that that was the reason why those Mclaren's had that high pitched scream coming from the exhausts

Tristan · 12 Mar 2003, 22:03 (Ref:534362)

I'm not sure about that, but oooh WHAT a noise those cars made!!

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2003, 22:03 (Ref:534363)

Periscope exhausts were introduced by Ferrari. McClaren liked the ones that exited behind the car aiding the diffuser - it gave the car more downforce (although the downside was that the amount of downforce was dependent upon the amount of throttle).

The high pitched sound is created because the length/shape and general design of the McClaren exhuasts causes the exhaust air to go supersonic.

Tristan · 12 Mar 2003, 22:09 (Ref:534368)

NO WAY!! So those Macs were in effect making a sonic boom??!!

ASCII Man · 12 Mar 2003, 22:10 (Ref:534373)

But when Ferrari introduce them?
And when did McLaren?

Questions, questions, questions...

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2003, 22:21 (Ref:534381)

Ferrari introduced periscope exhausts at the Spanish GP in 1999.

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2003, 22:30 (Ref:534390)

Quote:

Originally posted by AdamAshmore
The high pitched sound is created because the length/shape and general design of the McClaren exhuasts causes the exhaust air to go supersonic.

Hmmm, this might be just down to some resonance at the exit point. Not sure.

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