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Old 8 Jul 2004, 09:18 (Ref:1029955)   #1
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Toyota's 'B spec' F1 car,

Toyota can't wait for 'B spec' F1 car,

Technical director Mike Gascoyne said the debut of a 'B spec' model is on course for next-race Hockenheim.

Will they be any closer to ferrari and what will this do for Williams and McLaren ???
Does anyone know whats going on there?
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 10:07 (Ref:1029999)   #2
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Close to Ferrari? This year? Very funny. Williams and McLaren are safe for now too - but Sauber and Jaguar are in serious trouble.
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 10:29 (Ref:1030022)   #3
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Toyota are planning a BAR style assault on the big boys at some point but when that will be i guess is still quite a way off
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 10:48 (Ref:1030044)   #4
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Every team wants to play with the big boys - I'm sure Toyota wouldn't mind if it were next week, but to be realistic they should expect something similar to BAR's experience - full of hope and expectation to start with, then five long years of struggle, then the breakthrough. I'd reckon that it couldn't possibly be before 2006 when they could be at the stage that BAR are at now (even though their budget is just about the biggest out there).
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 11:03 (Ref:1030062)   #5
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Renault turned around quicker than that!
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 11:04 (Ref:1030063)   #6
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Currently they're close enought o Sauber in the standings to know that the car won't have to be a huge improvement for them to be able to take 6th. The problem is that the top 5 teams have got reliability sorted, and Indy and Monaco probably represent the season's only 'oddity' races of lots of incidents, so they will ahve to be outpacing cars from the big 5 teams, at least on occasion, to get anything.

Planning ahead for 2005 really ought to be their main goal though. They don't need the extra money for finishing 6th, and will go into 2005 with their first fully-Gascoyne-designed car and surely their best driver lineup yet.
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 11:25 (Ref:1030095)   #7
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Renault turned around quicker than that!
Yeah but Renualt were effectively a rebadged team of some standing (Benetton ex world champs lest we forget)
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 17:30 (Ref:1030478)   #8
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Just because it's the "B-Spec" car doesn't necessarly mean it will be a McLaren-esk jump forward. It could be 1/10th a lap faster.

Remember that in their first year Renault were having their butts handed to them by Minardi.
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Old 8 Jul 2004, 17:34 (Ref:1030483)   #9
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but i just have a tremendously slight feeling that this isn't Toyota's first year in Formula One...
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Assuming this a Gasgoyne B spec, then the results should be promising.
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Old 9 Jul 2004, 08:20 (Ref:1031035)   #11
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but i just have a tremendously slight feeling that this isn't Toyota's first year in Formula One...
Not their first year, but not their fifth or sixth either - BAR and Renault are on the up, and McLaren and Williams (although struggling by their own terms) will always be strong - Toyota won't break through to the top five and regular podiums until 2006 is my guess.
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I am of the same inclination as Glen. I would place 2006 as the year when they will start getting it together properly, although it will not be a year of serious title contention - that will take a bit longer, me thinks.

In 2006? I would think regular decent points finishes, with some podiums (not REGULAR, as it were).

I might well be proven utterly wrong, of course.
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Toyota may need to strengthen it's driver lineup in the mean time. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Panis, and have been following daMatta since his CART days and know he's got some incredible skill. However, neither driver has really stood out at any point this season, and their performance has been quite average. Much of this mediocrity can be attributed to the car, I suppose. Maybe Ralf will help this situation, maybe he won't.
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Old 10 Jul 2004, 04:45 (Ref:1031930)   #14
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The B spec which is an evo of the A should be faster but not that much to come close to the top cars, Imo...I think a complete Gascoyne car who can fight for wins can only come out the production line to race next season...although they need a very good blend of drivers to help them through the top...a good blend could be a young fast and agressive charger, and two experienced support and testing drivers...

But as always, I might be wrong...
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