[LM24] This year's GTE Thread

[tux]

Originally Posted by Mike E

All GTLMs used WEC spec Michelins at Laguna, IIRC.

Yeah thats right, i remember BMW were moaning they hadn't been able to test them before the weekend.

[airbusA346]

Corvette’s Magnussen accuses Ford of sandbagging to gain performance.

http://www.motorsport.com/lemans/new...rmance-782033/

[Deleted]

Wasn't there a rule where the ACO could handle a long stop&go (or something) during the final hours of the race if the performance for the GTE model in question substantially exceeded the previously shown capability - ie dishonesty? IIRC even last year during the race one of the teams was saying it could happen and that they were waiting for it.

But of course it's more likely just cheap scare tactic, and also it's in the interest of ACO/FIA to have Ford winning it no matter what. It's all politically corrupt.

Anyway, that's what you get with your new ideology Vincent.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Wasn't there a rule where the ACO could handle a long stop&go (or something) during the final hours of the race if the performance for the GTE model in question substantially exceeded the previously shown capability - ie dishonesty? IIRC even last year during the race one of the teams was saying it could happen and that they were waiting for it.

But of course it's more likely just cheap scare tactic, and also it's in the interest of ACO/FIA to have Ford winning it no matter what. It's all politically corrupt.

Anyway, that's what you get with your new ideology Vincent.

Everyone knows that Ford is sandbagging, but, one needs to be careful when trying to play innocent..Corvette know how to play the game just as well.

[nasdriv87]

[MaskedRacer]

One thing I like about the field this year is that each make can be identified by a color:

Ferrari = red
Ford = blue
Porsche = white
Corvette = yellow
Aston Martin = green

[Articus]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

One thing I like about the field this year is that each make can be identified by a color:

Ferrari = red
Ford = blue
Porsche = white
Corvette = yellow
Aston Martin = green

are the aston's green this year? what happened with gulf?

[MaskedRacer]

Originally Posted by Articus

are the aston's green this year? what happened with gulf?

Yeah Gulf is not there anymore. They are back to the green of the GT1 cars in the late 2000's. They look like to be trailing the GTE Pro field though. I don't expect them to contend for victory this year.

[nasdriv87]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Yeah Gulf is not there anymore. They are back to the green of the GT1 cars in the late 2000's. They look like to be trailing the GTE Pro field though. I don't expect them to contend for victory this year.

we never know what could happen in a 24h race!!!

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Chiana

3:51-52?

LOL right.

They could've been running with anything in that Road America test, 1150kg weight and no air restrictors and empty tanks and illegal parts. Also did you see the time, or clocked it yourself?

Remeber this?



I knew I wasn't going to be that wrong based on what I saw, and the times I picked up.

(FWIW, I'm just having a bit of fun, no harm meant)

[jdetray]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

They are back to the green of the GT1 cars in the late 2000's.

The exception being the #99 Beechdean Aston in GTE Am, which has a white and blue livery.

- Jeff

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by jdetray

The exception being the #99 Beechdean Aston in GTE Am, which has a white and blue livery.

- Jeff

Which isn't part of the facotry efforts.

[TzeiTzei]

Nicely manipulated by the ACO. The script says Ford vs. Ferrari and that's what we will get.

[PorscheFanNo1]

Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

Nicely manipulated by the ACO. The script says Ford vs. Ferrari and that's what we will get.

Yeah, its not like we didnt see it coming...

However, they have clearly overdone it with the laughable BoP changes of late.

Ford 3.51.1
Ferrari 3.51.5

Fastest non Ford and Ferrari is Porsche in 8th with a 3.54.9!!!

Lets just hope that racepace will see a much tighter feild, else I fear a lot of the interest in the class will be gone.

[TF110]

According to Hindy on RLM, they can do another bop adjustment before the race. If that's the case, I betcha Corvette and the others get a nice little boost. I think everyone has time in hand so they can counter or take advantage of any bop. That's what I think Ford did. They had some pace in hand and when they got the new bop, they released that withheld pace and then some extra from (or at least to appear to be from) their new bop spec.

[PascaLM]

Oh, wonderful ! We have three Ferrari and three Ford in the top six by miracle, as if everything has been done to remake a Ford vs. Ferrari battle. No, just brand new cars and new turbo engines. I think that the BoP should have not been changed after de Test Day.
And the better times are the results of the new 2016 rules, more aero, +30 hp.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by TF110

According to Hindy on RLM, they can do another bop adjustment before the race. If that's the case, I betcha Corvette and the others get a nice little boost. I think everyone has time in hand so they can counter or take advantage of any bop. That's what I think Ford did. They had some pace in hand and when they got the new bop, they released that withheld pace and then some extra from (or at least to appear to be from) their new bop spec.

There is no limit as to when, or how many, BoP adjustments are made.






L.P.

[rubberduck]

Then go for it or name it Inbalance of Performance

[rdjones]

I am just listening to RLM pitlane walk about there some strong view's on the BOP coming from David Heinemeier Hansson.

[Alex Langheck]

It’s just like in horse racing were you lay a horse out for a big handicap; a few runs without winning, get a low weight – turn up and win the big race. Everyone knows it goes on, but unless its really obvious, you can’t stop it.

However, its been obvious that Ford are only concerned about 1 race; Le Mans. They were sandbagging. That’s the fault of the ACO for being taken in. But it suits them if Ford win the GT class….

Maybe if Corvette did the whole WEC they might get better treatment?

I personally, think there should be only 1 BoP update - and that it before the season. Changing it constantly is basically changing the rules...The ACO have messed up - they should just hold their hands up and admit it. I don't like the idea of changing BoP just before the race, after qualifying...

[kyoung]

Originally Posted by Alex Langheck

I don't like the idea of changing BoP just before the race, after qualifying...

Why not, it seems likely that is when you can gauge the performance of all cars at their best?

Also the threat of a penalty for a substantial difference in performance from test to race doesn't seem to be doing the job, why not apply it now when it counts before the actual race?

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Remeber this?



I knew I wasn't going to be that wrong based on what I saw, and the times I picked up.

(FWIW, I'm just having a bit of fun, no harm meant)

I underestimated the laughability of this class

[Dyson Mazda]

Why is IMSA so much better at GTE BoP than the ACO? I feel like IMSA always has it within a second regardless of the track.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Why is IMSA so much better at GTE BoP than the ACO? I feel like IMSA always has it within a second regardless of the track.

Because none of their events have the significance of Le Mans...

Ford played this game perfectly.

[Deleted]

It would have been "perfect game" had they waited til race to let loose the sandbags, now they can still receive BoP penalties prior Saturday. Per the brave new world of non consistency regs...

If the politics/$$$ interests of the other four parties overpower those of Ford to ACO/FIA that is...