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Old 15 Nov 2018, 00:10 (Ref:3863380)   #226
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Camaro, GTR, Supra and any other sporty coupe would all suffer the same fate under the current control chassis.

The roadgoing Camaro's dimensions are actually BIGGER than the Supercars specifications. The Camaro would in all likelihood retain it's dimensions very well when scaled down to fit the Supercars chassis. Probably still wouldn't work PERFECTLY, but a lot better than the Mustang.
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Old 15 Nov 2018, 03:58 (Ref:3863392)   #227
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That was my first thought. They can the Mustang, yet bang on about how Toyota could be tempted with a very low roofed Supra.

Camaro, GTR, Supra and any other sporty coupe would all suffer the same fate under the current control chassis.

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Mustang: (mm)
Length 4784
Width 1916
Height 1394
Wheelbase: ??

Supra (mm, converted from inches)
Length 4378.96
Width 1854.2
Height 1290.32
Wheelbase 2468.88

So the Supra road car is 40mm shorter, 62mm narrower, and not as high by 100mm than the Mustang.

There is potential for a Supracar to look entirely ridiculous in every aspect aside from a render.
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Old 15 Nov 2018, 04:38 (Ref:3863393)   #228
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Mustang: (mm)
Length 4784
Width 1916
Height 1394
Wheelbase: 2720
Ford Falcon FG X
Length 4949
Width 1868
Height 1494
Wheelbase: 2838

So the Mustang has likely been raised by 100mm, squashed in width by 50mm, and stretched in wheelbase by about 100mm potentially (depending on what the wheelbase of a COTF is). No wonder it looks so strange!!

PS. What is the wheelbase of a COTF? I cannot find any mention of the wheelbase in V8 Supercar technical rules https://d3spxwpngnho1k.cloudfront.ne...ved-200218.pdf -> it only refers you to the relevant "VSD" (vehicle specification document?)
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Old 15 Nov 2018, 04:59 (Ref:3863395)   #229
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The roadgoing Camaro's dimensions are actually BIGGER than the Supercars specifications. The Camaro would in all likelihood retain it's dimensions very well when scaled down to fit the Supercars chassis. Probably still wouldn't work PERFECTLY, but a lot better than the Mustang.

According to the Google machine a 6th gen Camaro is 1350mm high. 50mm lower than the Mustang. Would that not mean its roofline will suffer the same fate, only 50mm worse?


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There is potential for a Supracar to look entirely ridiculous in every aspect aside from a render.
Remember the car Homer designed on the Simpsons?


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What is the wheelbase of a COTF?
Isn't it the same as a BF Falcon? A carryover legacy when the VE was released and had to match the BF's wheelbase under the Blueprint rules. The FG then had to be chopped to match the chopped VE, upon its release.

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Old 15 Nov 2018, 06:03 (Ref:3863397)   #230
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According to the Google machine a 6th gen Camaro is 1350mm high. 50mm lower than the Mustang. Would that not mean its roofline will suffer the same fate, only 50mm worse?
Considering this means that the roofline will be lowered less than the Mustang's, I don't see how that would make things worse or better.

Height
Supercar: 1220
Camaro: 1350
Mustang: 1381

Overall length
Supercar: 4890
Camaro: 4780
Mustang: 4784

Width
Supercar: 1880
Camaro: 1900
Mustang: 1916

Wheelbase
Supercar: 2820
Camaro: 2810
Mustang: 2720

(when recalling this information during my earlier post I got a few numbers reversed in my head; As you can see not ALL of the Camaro's measurements exceed the Supercar)

You'll notice that in most measurements, the Camaro is either larger than the Supercar or much closer than the Mustang was. Relative to the Mustang, the crucial detail is width, where the Camaro is narrower - it would be slimmed down by almost half the amount of the Mustang, which would have a major effect on how tall it looks.

(source for my Supercars measurements: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...5d7-1542260650 It's a weird source, yes, but I cannot find ANYWHERE else that gives the exact dimensions - not even on the Supercars website)

Now, there IS a problem when comparing height here: These sorts of measurements are usually measured from the roof to the GROUND, and a Supercar obviously sits lower than a roadgoing Camaro and Mustang. What we really need is a reliable measurement from the roof to the bottom of the bodywork.
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(source for my Supercars measurements: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...5d7-1542260650 It's a weird source, yes, but I cannot find ANYWHERE else that gives the exact dimensions - not even on the Supercars website)
Thank you so much for your research!
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Old 15 Nov 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3863448)   #232
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......What we really need is a reliable measurement from the roof to the bottom of the bodywork.
By eye the distance from the bottom of the sill panel and the highest part of the roof (in the centre line) is about 1220 at the highest point towards the front screen, 1150 where the back window starts, which is where the main problem in fitting the cage is. The roof curves to the outer edges there a bit too (1100).

Keep in mind that the Supercar is based on the 2018 Mustang, which has a lower nose than the more familiar 2015-2017 model that people may be comparing it to. See here: https://www.carscoops.com/2017/01/20...ng-poll-photo/

Having seen the car at the Phillip Island test (albeit from a distance), I think most will think the car looks better in the flesh and will not notice the differences that much.

The camouflage livery hiding the body lines does not help. I remember the outcry when the first leaked photos of the production 2018 Mustang surfaced. The car looked pretty plain and very ordinary, but it turned out to be just an unfortunate capture from a poor quality video.

I think in a few months time most of this fuss will similarly die down.
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Having seen the car at the Phillip Island test (albeit from a distance), I think most will think the car looks better in the flesh and will not notice the differences that much.
I have no doubt it will look a lot better once those ungodly huge rear wing endplates are replaced with the proper ones. It's amazing just how much of the look can be influenced by such things - look at a DTM car from the side, then photoshop out the rear wing - The top of the car will suddenly look like it dropped 4-5 inches. That really high wing skews the look at the bodywork lines, and I'm sure that's a big part of what's at work here.
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Thank you so much for your research!
I wouldn't put blind faith in that source, but until someone can dig up something more trustworthy it's the best we've got.
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Relative to the body's B-pillar, the standardised driver's seat position is further forward, while the coupe's roof is more rounded front-to-back than any of the existing models.
So.... the seat is in a standard position and the B pillar is further back? Who on earth would have thunk that....
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