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Old 22 Nov 2018, 12:51 (Ref:3864986)   #31
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I'm going back to the mid-late 70's...

Having completed a successful test at Paul Ricard, Embassy Hill racing return home a day earlier than planned in Nov 1975..

The team goes on to record it's first victories in 1976 with Tony Brise continually challenging Lauda and Hunt through the season. Both Ferrari and McLaren go on record as saying the Hill team is now a clear threat for title honours in 1977.

Tom Pryce makes a brilliant comeback drive at Kyalami '77 to net a podium and is a constant nuisance to Ferrari, McLaren for the rest of the year. Pryce and Brise engage in some of the best dices seen in F1 in their battle to be best of the rest.

There is a massive party as Pryce, Brise and Hunt fill the podium at the British GP. Debutant. Gilles Villeneuve challenges in a 3rd McLaren and after continuing to impress in selected races for the rest of the year, is signed full time alongside Hunt for 1978....

After the strange 'nearly' swap with Ronnie Peterson and in 1976,
Lotus once again make it known they are interested in signing Pryce for 1978 and the deal is announced in October where he will be number 2 for the season to.... Ronnie Peterson.

Mario decides to join Ferrari alongside Lauda as joint No.1 much to Niki's chagrin

Alan Jones replaces Pryce at Shadow for '78 with Reutemann and Regazzoni lining up for Williams, although both on 1 year deals...

The opening round of 1978 is a belter........

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Old 22 Nov 2018, 13:17 (Ref:3864995)   #32
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It would have been very interesting to see how that new Hill car went in 76. Could so easily have been the making of Brise.
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 11:52 (Ref:3868730)   #33
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It would have been very interesting to see how that new Hill car went in 76. Could so easily have been the making of Brise.
Brise was seriously good according to most accounts?

Pryce as quick but bit wild, very much like Gilles and Bellof I reckon?
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Old 8 Dec 2018, 14:28 (Ref:3868754)   #34
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I donít know if Pryce threw it off that many times. Certainly drivers in less than perfect cars tend to give it more
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 16:19 (Ref:3869957)   #35
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Alesi honouring his pre-contract with Williams for 91 would have been interesting;

Mansell and Hill would never have been World Champions as neither would have driven for Williams (in the 90's). Patrese would have been retained until they could get Senna in for likely 93 if not 92.

Alesi would be winning races so France happy and no need for Prost - who probably would have gone back to McLaren or retired.

Senna would likely not have been killed in '94 - he would have had input into the FW16 and it be more to his liking and less nervous at the start of 94.

Senna would have been a 5 to 9 time champ with potentially close to 100 victories - conceivably he could have won 92 - 97 inclusive assuming the passion remained. He would have been 38 in '97 so not old. He could go to Ferrari then as he always wanted to. And the Ferrari's from 97 onwards weren't bad....

I'm assuming Alesi would have won races but not Championships if paired with Senna. The 91 Williams took a while to get going and finished weakly v the McLaren. JV may still have come in for 96 but be thrashed by Senna and disappear before BAR arrived...
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Like it Graz!!

I reckon Alesi had it in him if he had a reliable quick car.

In addition to Senna, he would probably have been up against Herbert and Donnelly in '91 & '92 had both those drivers careers proceeded as looked clear prior to their accidents. Herbert would probably be in the other Williams, Senna at Mclaren, Donnelly possibly in one of the Benetton's with his Camel backing.

Going back another 10 years. What could have happened if Gilles moved to McLaren in 1983 as had been rumoured?

I think that be would have left after the Pironi nonsense anyway.

Mind you had he lived and stayed and Pironi had not been injured going on to win the '82 title, we might have seen a brilliant scrap for the '83 title between them as i am convinced that the '83 Ferrari was the best car evidenced by the constructors title.
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I remember Autosport once did a what if story about Gilles going to McLaren for 83. Certainly Villeneuve could so easily have been champ in 82 and would have probably added to more in his TAG Porsche McLaren
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I remember Autosport once did a what if story about Gilles going to McLaren for 83. Certainly Villeneuve could so easily have been champ in 82 and would have probably added to more in his TAG Porsche McLaren
As much as he was a hero of mine and one of the fastest guys around, period, if he was starting to get trouble from Pironi, Prost would raise that to a whole new level!

Then again, Gilles would probably have been the one replacing Watson and not Prost?
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Probably. Niki would no doubt have stayed, so Wattie would have to have left. Autosport reckoned Prost would have replaced Our Nige at Lotus after being dropped by Renault
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Probably. Niki would no doubt have stayed, so Wattie would have to have left. Autosport reckoned Prost would have replaced Our Nige at Lotus after being dropped by Renault
Hmm, Marlboro replacing JPS?!

Maybe they would have got extra Regie support if he went there though?

Mansell would have gone to where in '84, presumably to Williams a year earlier than he actually did?
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As much as he was a hero of mine and one of the fastest guys around, period, if he was starting to get trouble from Pironi, Prost would raise that to a whole new level!

Then again, Gilles would probably have been the one replacing Watson and not Prost?
No, he just was too naive believing Pironi would actually follow team orders.
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Hmm, Marlboro replacing JPS?!



Maybe they would have got extra Regie support if he went there though?



Mansell would have gone to where in '84, presumably to Williams a year earlier than he actually did?


I donít know where you got the idea that Marlboro replacing JPS, as Prost was never Marlboro backed AFAIK

Mansell probably would have been left on the sidelines, Peter Warr would have been more than happy to drop him
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I donít know where you got the idea that Marlboro replacing JPS, as Prost was never Marlboro backed AFAIK

Mansell probably would have been left on the sidelines, Peter Warr would have been more than happy to drop him
I know what you mean, but Prost was a Marlboro supported driver as soon as he got into F1 with McLaren in 1980, He still had sponsorship at Renault. The only time he didn't was at the end when he returned for his 4th title season with Williams who were of course Camel backed at the time.

He was/had become their top driver in F1 by 1983 alongside Rosberg even though Wattie and Lauda were in their 'official' team at McLaren.

What would have been interesting is how the tobacco money politics would have played out if he did join Lotus who had been JPS's team for yonks. Would Marlboro have insisted on continuing to sponsor him and if so how would Lotus have handled JPS who were their major sponsor.

Mind you Senna had Marlboro in '84 and then joined Lotus so you're probably right, it wouldn't have mattered!
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No, he just was too naive believing Pironi would actually follow team orders.
Yes, he was a bit, but Pironi was getting stronger? I'm not saying Pironi was a better driver, he certainly wasn't as quick but he was clearly very calculating.

Prost was a level above Didier in talent and calculating!. Gilles and Prost were great mates but Prost was always a good player behind the scenes!
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Pironi, certainly he seemed to be on top of the world when he had his accident. Who knows what he could have achieved
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