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Old 7 Dec 2018, 01:27 (Ref:3868420)   #421
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 01:47 (Ref:3868423)   #422
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I wonder what prevented S5000 from manufacturing the chassis locally? Surely we have the skillset and manufacturing capability?
Nothing really prevented them from doing it, they're just taking a cautious approach for a very good reason: They don't even know if the series is going to succeed yet. Why invest in a local production facility before you even know that? Onroak already had their US facility up and running to support their LMP2 and LMP3 cars here in the States, so it wasn't a big deal to take a chance on the F3 Americas car, but the situation for Australia is a little different.

If the series proves successful, then yes, they should take a very serious look at producing the Onroak-built parts in-country for the series. But until then, the cost of setting up the facilities is tough to justify.

Even then, from what I understand, several of the parts actually ARE to be built in Australia. From what I've seen, Onroak will be building the tub, wings, bodywork, and...that's it. Suspension, engine, wheels, all built in Australia.

So they're not blind to the idea, they're just making sure to look and think before they jump.

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I understand they wanted to keep development costs down buying off the shelf, but France??
America, actually. The car it's based on is built at Onroak's US facility.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 01:53 (Ref:3868425)   #423
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13-car order is a pretty solid start - and there's plenty of time for more orders. Hopefully they all make it to the grid. The first F4 US race had 14 cars, it finished their most recent season with a 33-car grid.

Hopefully S5000 manages similar growth.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 02:30 (Ref:3868427)   #424
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Should S(not)5000 allow a variety of engines with a balance of performance like the Daytona prototype class in IMSA? The Daytona prototype class has manufacturers including Honda, Cadillac, Mazda and Nissan, many of which wouldn't be tempted by a NASCAR type series.

The sooner an alternative category can break the dominance of Virgin Australia Supercars series and run exciting events including an Adelaide Grand Prix and Gold Coast Grand Prix, the better!

[Potentially, Australian GT could be another rival to Supercars and could attract manufacturers including Audi, Mercedes, Nissan and Honda, but with Supercars themselves running the categories marquee event and a reliance on gentleman drivers in the national series, this is not feasible...]

Regardless of what the category be, be it a Formula car category, be a GT category, be it another touring car, wouldn't it be grand to dismantle Supercars Australia dominance of local motorsport, their anti-competitive practices (like running a test on the same day as the Bathurst 12 hour) and their exorbitant ticket prices needed in order to prop up their entrants with REC income due to the running costs exceeding the value of commercial sponsorship return...?
Why the hate, they have provided good professional motor racing but have to make some hard decisions next year because the recipe got tossed out with the bath water and they could be looking at no future. What they had no longer has a long term future unfortunately and if it folds a lot of people will lose a lot of money.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 02:36 (Ref:3868429)   #425
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13-car order is a pretty solid start - and there's plenty of time for more orders. Hopefully they all make it to the grid. The first F4 US race had 14 cars, it finished their most recent season with a 33-car grid.

Hopefully S5000 manages similar growth.
Remind me how many F4 cars CAMS ordered. Ordering and racing is a totally different thing. I just don't see it, the well heeled are driving other classes and the rest of the money is tied up in SC for next year at least.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 04:47 (Ref:3868450)   #426
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Why the hate,
Why do think?

Because of their REC structure and the event sanctioning fees, Supercars charge $150-200 for a general admission ticket. Outrageous.

No wonder folks would rather attend State events, hillclimbs, historics and the like.
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Remind me how many F4 cars CAMS ordered.
No idea.

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Ordering and racing is a totally different thing.
That was kind of my point with the whole "Hopefully they all make it to the grid" comment.
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Surely we have the skillset and manufacturing capability?
Are you sure? There are no local constructors of Formula or LMP cars with the proven expertise in composite monocoques. [ Of course, it would be wonderful if an Australian business matched the capability of the likes of USA's Multimatic, manufacturing carbon racing cars, carbon road going supercars (Ford GT) and the like. ]

You could have a crack, of course (like Formula SAE teams of students do at building carbon tubs), "how hard can it be", but the result is unlikely to be all that efficient or well-designed.

This layup schematic of a Caterham F1 monocoque shows the complexity of a moderately well-designed carbon tub. I guess F3 and F4 cars use a more simple layup.



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13-car order is a pretty solid start
Who has ordered the cars?

Competitors or the organisers?
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Who has ordered the cars?

Competitors or the organisers?

Organizers. Seemingly on behalf of interested participants if some other things that have been said are correct.
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Are you sure? There are no local constructors of Formula or LMP cars with the proven expertise in composite monocoques. [ Of course, it would be wonderful if an Australian business matched the capability of the likes of USA's Multimatic, manufacturing carbon racing cars, carbon road going supercars (Ford GT) and the like. ]

You could have a crack, of course (like Formula SAE teams of students do at building carbon tubs), "how hard can it be", but the result is unlikely to be all that efficient or well-designed.

This layup schematic of a Caterham F1 monocoque shows the complexity of a moderately well-designed carbon tub. I guess F3 and F4 cars use a more simple layup.



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Ask the blokes who are building carbon 18 footers if there is any expertise in this country.
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Old 7 Dec 2018, 23:52 (Ref:3868650)   #432
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Ask the blokes who are building carbon 18 footers if there is any expertise in this country.

And of course the Australian plants that are turning out carbon fibre sections for the JSF and Boeing.
Why this constant cringe about the ability of Australia to develop a build things?
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And of course the Australian plants that are turning out carbon fibre sections for the JSF and Boeing.
Why this constant cringe about the ability of Australia to develop a build things?
And the carbon fibre wheel being used on hi end sports cars.
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Anyone ever stop to consider that these companies would likely need some time to set up production before they could actually do it? Time enough to possibly delay the debut of the series?

Combine that with the uncertainty of the series being successful and it doesn't take a genius to think of why the organizers wouldn't jump right into local manufacturing.

I'm not bashing on Aussie manufacturing capability here - I don't have enough knowledge of it(read: Next to none) to make such statements. But under the situation S5000 is currently in, it actually doesn't make sense to contract locally for the parts that will be the same as on the original car. That's something to worry about if the series actually takes off.
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Aussie companies are capable and were originally planned to produce all the chassis when the SWIFT tub was being used, however with the switch to a tub requiring a Halo, it was deemed unnecessary to produce them here since the Onroak is still being produced overseas.

The difference is developing a tub from scratch is a very costly process and there was no point in going down that route with uncertainty about the success of the series. Perhaps down the line if the series really kicks off they will consider a home grown tub.
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