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Old 10 Sep 2018, 23:35 (Ref:3849278)   #31
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Nice work. Minor flaws that I spotted were mention of "banning" of the fan car, rather than it being withdrawn, lubricant suppliers such as Castrol being described as fuel suppliers and lastly Middlebridge didn't move the team to Milton Keynes until 1992.

Only minor items so great work - just thought you'd like to know.
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Nice work. Minor flaws that I spotted were mention of "banning" of the fan car, rather than it being withdrawn, lubricant suppliers such as Castrol being described as fuel suppliers and lastly Middlebridge didn't move the team to Milton Keynes until 1992.

Only minor items so great work - just thought you'd like to know.

If it was after the mid 60s, then Castrol was owned/merged with American petroleum company Burmah. So it is possible that Castrol supplied the team with Burmah's petrol.


Sorry to be pedantic.
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Nice work. Minor flaws that I spotted were mention of "banning" of the fan car, rather than it being withdrawn, lubricant suppliers such as Castrol being described as fuel suppliers and lastly Middlebridge didn't move the team to Milton Keynes until 1992.

Only minor items so great work - just thought you'd like to know.
Thanks mate for the support. And yes, there are a few minor mistakes. I might eventually do a channel reboot and clear up some of the minor mistakes with the dialogue & technical issues etc. The videos should be as factual as possible.
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If it was after the mid 60s, then Castrol was owned/merged with American petroleum company Burmah. So it is possible that Castrol supplied the team with Burmah's petrol.


Sorry to be pedantic.
Castrol is owned by BP these days of course but Castrol doesn't supply fuel, although I take your point. Castrol was not the only lubricants company mentioned in the video as a fuel company.
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Castrol is owned by BP these days of course but Castrol doesn't supply fuel, although I take your point. Castrol was not the only lubricants company mentioned in the video as a fuel company.

I appreciate that it may only be semantics, but in the 60s, Redex supplied my engine oil (and additives, which I only used to coat the moving parts in the engine during rebuilds) and paid for my other lubricants and petrol. As such, they could be acknowledged as my fuel supplier.
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I appreciate that it may only be semantics, but in the 60s, Redex supplied my engine oil (and additives, which I only used to coat the moving parts in the engine during rebuilds) and paid for my other lubricants and petrol. As such, they could be acknowledged as my fuel supplier.
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On a more serious note.... My best recollection is that Colin was allowed the Gold Leaf livery as he actually changed the name "Team Lotus" to "Gold Leaf Team Lotus". Is this correct?
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Old 12 Sep 2018, 01:56 (Ref:3849519)   #37
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Interesting that Sauber are now the fourth longest surviving team in F1, says a lot
First, I'd like to thank you for causing the little journey I took to reach my destination. The stops along the way for tangents made it all worthwhile.

Not knowing the criterion/criteria you employed for your assertion, I'll assume you're correct re: "surviving" ('til now, I assume).

After reading your post I decided to take a stroll down memory/history lane and come up with my own stats.

In order of number of years constructing, ties broken by number of races (which is really meaningless since the teams ran in seasons that varied in number of races but what the hey, 'hadda use something), my top eleven ('woulda been ten 'cept Ligier slipped in with a tie) of duration of participation:

1) Ferrari 69 years/963 races

2) McLaren 53/835

3) Williams 43/716

4) Lotus 43/606

5) Tyrrell 29/430

6) Brabham 23/394

7) BRM 23/197

8) Renault 22/355

9) Sauber 21/366

10) Minardi 21/340

11) Ligier 21/326
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Old 12 Sep 2018, 08:37 (Ref:3849542)   #38
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For us pedants, are your years including those when the teams were merely the entrants, such as, for example, the seasons that Tyrrell ran the Matras and so on?
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For us pedants, are your years including those when the teams were merely the entrants, such as, for example, the seasons that Tyrrell ran the Matras and so on?
'Matter of fact, yes.
'Actually, 'hadn't thought of that. My intentions were good, however.
When I mentioned "constructing" I was thinking of the Constructors' Championship. I should have used the term "the teams participated", shouldn't I?
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I'm sorry; I really didn't mean to have made any attempt to criticise anything you wrote.


We do sometimes forget that some of the "heritage" teams were often sometimes only entrants of others' cars. Didn't even Ferrari enter other marques way back in time?
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Well, Ferrari started out as an Alfa Romeo team. But I don’t think they’ve entered anything except Ferraris since the beginning of the world championship in 1950.
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First, I'd like to thank you for causing the little journey I took to reach my destination. The stops along the way for tangents made it all worthwhile.

Not knowing the criterion/criteria you employed for your assertion, I'll assume you're correct re: "surviving" ('til now, I assume).

After reading your post I decided to take a stroll down memory/history lane and come up with my own stats.

In order of number of years constructing, ties broken by number of races (which is really meaningless since the teams ran in seasons that varied in number of races but what the hey, 'hadda use something), my top eleven ('woulda been ten 'cept Ligier slipped in with a tie) of duration of participation:

1) Ferrari 69 years/963 races

2) McLaren 53/835

3) Williams 43/716

4) Lotus 43/606

5) Tyrrell 29/430

6) Brabham 23/394

7) BRM 23/197

8) Renault 22/355

9) Sauber 21/366

10) Minardi 21/340

11) Ligier 21/326
Interesting stats. Just a couple of things, I was looking up some info on BRM and they raced in F1 from 1951 - 1977, so 26 years and with this business of Kimi going to Sauber, they made their F1 debut at the 1993 South African GP, so 25 years for them.
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I'm sorry; I really didn't mean to have made any attempt to criticise anything you wrote.
No a pro'lem. I didn't take it that way at all. I appreciate the correction.


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We do sometimes forget that some of the "heritage" teams were often sometimes only entrants of others' cars. Didn't even Ferrari enter other marques way back in time?
'Don't know. Thanks for another mission into the past.... I love it (Ferrari only ran it's own since my initial intro to F1, early sixties). But, not being a particular Ferrari fan, I've not searched out Enzo's history. Colin/Lotus and Jimmy (and myself) have been my only major interests in all of racing. 'Enjoy and respect many others' but they were, and remain, my guys.... )
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Interesting stats. Just a couple of things, I was looking up some info on BRM and they raced in F1 from 1951 - 1977, so 26 years and with this business of Kimi going to Sauber, they made their F1 debut at the 1993 South African GP, so 25 years for them.
BRM did not participate the whole season of '75 (missing 4), raced only once in '76, and only twice in '77. For me, that's not participating for the year. Sauber did not participate in the years 2006-'10 as "Sauber". During those years, the team was called "BMW Sauber" so in my research, stats for those years were not credited to Sauber itself. And I was not looking for "BMW Sauber" as I still don't recall calling it that.
Anywho, splitting hairs once again (tho' these are rather thick ones...) so go ahead and move it up to sixth on my list if you'd like. I promise not to be offended.

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BRM did not participate the whole season of '75 (missing 4), raced only once in '76, and only twice in '77. For me, that's not participating for the year. Sauber did not participate in the years 2006-'10 as "Sauber". During those years, the team was called "BMW Sauber" so in my research, stats for those years were not credited to Sauber itself. And I was not looking for "BMW Sauber" as I still don't recall calling it that.
Anywho, splitting hairs once again (tho' these are rather thick ones...) so go ahead and move it up to sixth on my list if you'd like. I promise not to be offended.
BRM certainly had a torrid time of it towards the end.

Fair enough.
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