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Old 26 Sep 2018, 12:38 (Ref:3852756)   #1
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DiRT Rally 2.0

Thought some of you might be interested in this. Dirt Rally 2.0 is coming next year (26th February), it includes rally and the World Rallycross Championship.

Looks to be based on the 2018 season and includes 8 tracks (Barcelona, Montalegre, Mettet, Lohťac Bretagne, Trois-Rivieres, Hell, Holjes and Silverstone)
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Old 26 Sep 2018, 15:12 (Ref:3852785)   #2
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The rallycross part of DR was woeful. Cars all handled badly, it was revised well in Dirt 4, but the rally stuff was terrible.

And it really only existed to try and make the game more sellable in DR1, hence why the abysmal Dirt 4 was released.

The rally part was brilliant, massively immersive and hugely rewarding.

And I hope that is the part they concentrate on.

But, I do fear rallycross will be the bigger selling point, and that would be a shame, as the original game was perhaps the best sim I have played in many years, just not the rallycross bit!!
They will not have the WRC licence, which is good and bad, but they will no doubt have the IMG licence, so I suspect the game will be focused on rallycross, I hope not, but let's see.
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The rallycross part of DR was woeful. Cars all handled badly, it was revised well in Dirt 4, but the rally stuff was terrible.

And it really only existed to try and make the game more sellable in DR1, hence why the abysmal Dirt 4 was released.

The rally part was brilliant, massively immersive and hugely rewarding.

And I hope that is the part they concentrate on.

But, I do fear rallycross will be the bigger selling point, and that would be a shame, as the original game was perhaps the best sim I have played in many years, just not the rallycross bit!!
They will not have the WRC licence, which is good and bad, but they will no doubt have the IMG licence, so I suspect the game will be focused on rallycross, I hope not, but let's see.
I agree fully. The rally portion of Dirt Rally was excellent and the Rallycross portion was lackluster at best. To be honest iRacing is leaps and bounds ahead of D.R in Rallycross and even pCars2 is better in my opinion. Hope they continue to focus on traditional rally as they knocked it out of the park on the first dirt rally.
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Old 26 Sep 2018, 18:06 (Ref:3852810)   #4
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I though both DR and D4 had their strengths and weaknesses. The rally stages in DR were excellent but, even with the revised physics model, some of the car behavior was odd (specifically thinking when the cars left the ground or collided with an object).

The rallycross cars could be unpredictable in DR and, in my opinion, that was the single biggest improvement in D4: the cars slid easier and were much more controllable on the limit.

I also thought that, for the most part, the 4WD rally cars handled better in D4 as well. The rally stages in D4 were a lot more forgiving though, which is why I think many felt that D4 was more of an arcade game as you have a lot more room for error. The biggest step backwards in D4 were the RWD cars which didn't feel anywhere near as much of a handful as they did in DR.

D4 was also cut short on content by Codemasters being denied the Pikes Peak license. I am curious to know exactly what happened behind the scenes, but the total lack of follow on support for D4 was bizarre.

It's a shame "Your Stage" isn't back as I think it had incredible potential. The hand crafted stages should bring back the same level of stage detail that we saw in DR. With more locations and rallycross tracks than DR, I hope it's the complete sequel that D4 should have been.
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Old 26 Sep 2018, 19:45 (Ref:3852833)   #5
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For those who can't wait to play off-road racing, there's Gravel, V-Rally 4 and Wreckfest.
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I think to be honest, they realised with Dirt4 they had written a pup!

Dr was perfect in many ways, agreed the mid engined cars had weird handling on some stages,

Pikes Peak doesn't interest me at all I am afraid, hardly ever drove there. I get why its there, but withou notes its rather hard to learn without just endlessly repeating the same few bits. real, yes, but not the same as a rally stage for some reason.

Give me 2 more countries and I would be happy without rallycross and pikes peak. and more proper cars.

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I am hoping this will be a big improvement from D4 and DR, just like you guys say they both had some ups and downs. Sliding around with the RWD Escort in DR is so much fun and I hope they can add some of that realism to AWD cars as well. Perhaps not realistic but it would fun if they could add RWD cars to rallycross.

I am worried though that there might not be snow/ice stages and also a lack of asphalt (only Spain). Judging from the locations it seems to be heavy emphasis on gravel.

“Our passionate, knowledgeable community helped to make DiRT Rally a special title. We have been working with a selection of that community alongside a roster of real world rally drivers to ensure that we meet their high standards”
http://www.codemasters.com/codemaste...irt-rally-2-0/

"You will need to rely on your instincts with the most immersive and truly focused off-road experience yet, including a new authentic handling model, tyre choice and surface deformation."

http://dirtrally2.com/
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I am worried though that there might not be snow/ice stages and also a lack of asphalt (only Spain). Judging from the locations it seems to be heavy emphasis on gravel.
They are talking about two seasons of DLC post-release with each of those seasons adding three new locations to the game (so six in total).

Given the respective resources required to add new locations, I suspect there will be two additional rally locations and four more rallycross tracks. I wonder if one of the additional rally locations will be snow.
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I agree fully. The rally portion of Dirt Rally was excellent and the Rallycross portion was lackluster at best. To be honest iRacing is leaps and bounds ahead of D.R in Rallycross and even pCars2 is better in my opinion. Hope they continue to focus on traditional rally as they knocked it out of the park on the first dirt rally.


Youíre joking, right? PCars 2 rallycross is woeful other than having a decent variety of cars


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PCARS2 is a shocker of a game, basically a full price patch for the first title, so bad they have given up!

Iracing is very good.

But Dirt Rally for me had a better off road feel, it was simply spot on, on gravel. Actually the modern 4wd cars were quite dull, the best feel being kept for the fwd and rwd cars.

If they can recapture that, I don't mind a bit of DLC within reason.

The issue with the last game was it is basically a test piece with lots missing, admitted by the devs, I don't want this game to be like all modern games, a 50% finished game, for full price then DLC taking it well over 100 quid so that within 2 years you get the game you should have got initially.

Gamers are the reason they do this, as they are so stupid and desperate they will now pay well over the full price of games for what you used to get in one purchase.
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Pcars 2 isn't a classic for sure, but Rallycross in Dirt Rally was just awful, especially in comparison to the Rallying itself. Neither game is a great representation of Rallycross unfortunately, but I got a lot more enjoyment out of pCars 2 Rallycross than I did out of Dirt Rally. Neither one touches iRacing in my mind, although they are sorely lacking in permanent circuits such as Lydden Hill, Loehac and Hell. But I'm sure they will get there someday. Of course I've never Rallycrossed either so my opinion isn't worth much -- its just based on what feels more realistic to me, generally iR is pretty close -- at least they are with anything I've race IRL such as Asphalt and Dirt oval stuff.
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To be honest I tried rallycross in DR and left it alone pretty much just after, none of my cars were levelled as it was so poor, same as Pikes Peak, just did nothing for me, they were not that great to drive to be fair.

The rally stuff was all that was needed, the rest was a basic licence and the ability to play online, Minis were fun as was 1600 in the update, but the supercars were never right
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A clip from the Canadian track. It's only pre-alpha gameplay (and an awful driver) but this makes me a bit nervous, the car seems to understeer quite a bit and beside that it looks kinda odd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqVhuWkwZTg&t=185s
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Thing is, it doesn't matter what the rallycross is like.

It didn't in Dirt Rally.

The game is being aimed at sim gamers, not simcade Projects cars types, and the rally handling will reflect that I hope.

It ought to be hard, unforgiving. Apparently there will be tyre choices now, and the stages will chew up for later runners, a really great idea.

That says sim to me, Thank God and frankly I couldn't care less about WRX being in the game at all. It's only there coz IMG paid them to have it in there.
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Pre-Alpha Trois-Rivieres footage from the livestream yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=t9KjU-L06mQ

Canada is one of my least favourite tracks on the World RX calendar, but I am looking forward to trying it in game as it looks pretty unforgiving: there is concrete everywhere.
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