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Old 3 Oct 2018, 15:57 (Ref:3854305)   #16
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Pre-Alpha Trois-Rivieres footage from the livestream yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=t9KjU-L06mQ

Canada is one of my least favourite tracks on the World RX calendar, but I am looking forward to trying it in game as it looks pretty unforgiving: there is concrete everywhere.
That does not look awful. I'm sure I'll buy this when it comes out despite my complaints about the RX portion in DR1.
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Old 3 Oct 2018, 18:04 (Ref:3854332)   #17
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That does not look awful. I'm sure I'll buy this when it comes out despite my complaints about the RX portion in DR1.
I thought the rallycross in D4 was a big improvement over DR. If they manage to make a similar leap forward then I am expecting it to be decent.
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Old 3 Oct 2018, 20:34 (Ref:3854383)   #18
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The thing is they are totally different games form the same developer.

Dirt 4 was a Block style game, and they have their place, I maintain Dirt2 was a magnificent game, I played it for months and Dirt 3 was good too.

Dirt rally was a pure sim, it was a design exercise and never properly finished, they released rallycross for the licence mainly and to get people to play online, but it was very rough.

Hopefully DR2 loses none of the sim stuff
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Old 8 Oct 2018, 14:45 (Ref:3855431)   #19
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It is strange how opinions are so divided. Most serious sim racers I know think that the Project Cars 2 Rallycross content is the dogs dangly bits. The cars are so controllable on the throttle, whereas Dirt 4 there is a bit too much uncontrollable snap oversteer. Ok, some rallycross cars do exhibit snap oversteer, but this is something most drivers try to avoid for obvious reasons.

The problem with Dirt 4 was that it was unfinished - and the devs admitted as much (I posted a link on this donkeys ago). The Historic RWD cars were simply not modeled correctly. The 4WD were generally much better- especially the Group B cars and those are the ones everyone plays. But you did have to set them up properly and it is amazing how many fans haven't a clue on the basics of setup. Some were a bit understeery, but then the Quattro had that problem in real life too.

The problem with Dirt Rally was that it was too easy to barrel into a turn at any speed, get the car sideways and drift through the corner. It feels great, looks great, but in real life you need to get the corner entry speed right - if you don't you understeer off or you don't get enough rotation to get cleanly though the corner. Richard Burns Rally modelled this challenge brilliantly. DR is good, but doesn't really get this right. D4 is a little better in this respect, at least with the 4wd cars.

The sad thing is that the stage generator may not be in Dirt Rally 2. This was an awesome idea from Dirt 4, but poorly executed. It just needed the devs to put the hours in to create real variety - but then so much stuff gets released before it is ready.
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One further thought - I'd like to see a proper track editor to create new rallycross tracks.

SODA off road racing had this in 1996 - and its physics and ai are better than many games today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6bQvkjS9Y
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The sad thing is that the stage generator may not be in Dirt Rally 2. This was an awesome idea from Dirt 4, but poorly executed. It just needed the devs to put the hours in to create real variety - but then so much stuff gets released before it is ready.
Yeah, I fully agree. Your Stage had incredible potential in my eyes and I was sure later iterations of it would fix the flaws of what we got in Dirt 4.
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Old 17 Jan 2019, 14:12 (Ref:3876725)   #22
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New trailer for the World RX content now online:

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I've seen some trailers and I'm not greatly impressed. The grip levels on loose surfaces were already too high in Dirt 4 and now seem even higher. The physics on tarmac seem bizarre, with so much drifting it looks like the cars are running on gravel tyres. The tracks are also very flat with few bumps - have these guys ever watched a rally?

There are no classic rallies for licensing reasons - so no RAC, no Monte, no Finland, no Acropolis. And there is no MyStage or editor, despite many requests. Overall, a poor effort.

Dirt rally is still probably the best of the series, although its a little too forgiving on corner entry.

If you want to get annoyed, go back to Richard Burns Rally and ask why rally sims have gone backwards in 15 years. This is still the one most hardcore fans play - there is even a modern physics update.
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I am disappointed not to see Your Stage return. It was flawed in D4, but as the first iteration of the idea I thought it had immense potential.

Decent chunk of rally gameplay in this video (Unfortunately all from chase cam!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdBAc29N97c

Argentina looks like it could be a challenge!
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Old 30 Jan 2019, 13:38 (Ref:3880664)   #25
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This video gives me a bit more hope as the car seems to be actually reacting to the ruts and bumps. There are still places that are too smooth though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjB2gaTVa7Y

The mini's handing looks very odd though - I'm glad mine doesn't handle like that!
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This video gives me a bit more hope as the car seems to be actually reacting to the ruts and bumps. There are still places that are too smooth though.
Stage deformation is included this time, so the stage will be rougher based on running order.

Still waiting for a full car list, no sign of any returning WRCars, but the R5 class has been expanded to six cars.
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Really enjoying watching those videos. Last Dirt game I played was Dirt3, so everything feels like a huge improvement, except the codriver who doesn't seems to react to how you're driving like they used to.
Those stages looks fantastic! I just hope the rallies aren't too short.
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Will wait and see with Dirt Rally 2, I did not go for Dirt 4 as I knew it was arcade rot, but so far what I have seen of DR2 looks OK, am just hoping the physics are as good as DR, which is still for me, the best sim I have played on PC.

I think there are things they have done right, the new stages, but why not keep the old ones and make it huge? Rights maybe?

For me ditch WRX, it is a dead series, and serves no purpose other than to make a rally sim easier to sell to console players as they can race online. DR rallycross was appalling, although I gather in Dirt 4 it was OK, understandably as IMG probably pumped tons into the development budget maybe
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Will wait and see with Dirt Rally 2, I did not go for Dirt 4 as I knew it was arcade rot, but so far what I have seen of DR2 looks OK, am just hoping the physics are as good as DR, which is still for me, the best sim I have played on PC.
In my personal opinion Dirt 4 wasn't without merit. The airborne physics in DR were the biggest flaw in that game (in my personal opinion) and that was fixed in D4.

The rallycross Supercars were massively improved in D4 and most of the 4WD cars were OK. The RWD cars weren't great though and, as discussed earlier in this thread, "Your Stage" routes just weren't as detailed as those in DR.

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I think there are things they have done right, the new stages, but why not keep the old ones and make it huge? Rights maybe?
I suspect an old location (or two) may appear as DLC further down the line. As I understand it all the old environments would require reworking and I guess they have opted for new locations so as not be accused of rehashing old content.

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understandably as IMG probably pumped tons into the development budget maybe
That isn't what I heard, but maybe there was more to it. I know that CM got a lot of info from Cooper about the tyre, which is why there was so much improvement in D4.
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Rumour has it that the WRC are tightening up on licencing, preventing any game using WRC stages or rallies. If so that's the end of sim racing on real WRC events (at least in the way that Dirt Rally and SLRE used WRC events).

I would like to see the next iteration of DR have an actual stage editor so that fans can use GPS data to produce their own tracks. Microsoft Train Simulator has something like this twenty years ago... That would remove a lot of problems around licensing. The only think comparable is the very old Bob's Track Builder for Richard Burns.

For me SLRE is still the best 'current-gen' rally sim - not perfect but here you have real stages and realistic modern cars. Even the modern 2wd cars feel very good (the only rally cars I've had meaningful experience of outside a rally school). They also got other things right, like proper roadside TV coverage in replays - something that everyone keeps asking for in the Dirt Series but which is never provided.
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