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Old 12 Nov 2018, 11:42 (Ref:3862733)   #1
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Supercar in Five Years Time

I have a question, if the present rules are kept what cars will be racing under those rules in five years time.
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Old 12 Nov 2018, 12:03 (Ref:3862734)   #2
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I suspect there wont be one car called Holden.
Maybe some other GM brand?
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Old 12 Nov 2018, 20:39 (Ref:3862879)   #3
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sad to see what it has evolved into
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 00:01 (Ref:3862921)   #4
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Seems inevitable that it will become a NASCAR-esque silhouette series with stickers on the front end to convince us that somehow the innards are different.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 01:11 (Ref:3862930)   #5
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I have a question, if the present rules are kept what cars will be racing under those rules in five years time.
I'd say that is a pretty big "if". While the V6 turbos have been dropped for the time being, I wonder if it is realistic to think there will be enough manufacturers interested in supporting V8 powered entries in the future.

Assuming they stay V8, surely Mustang and Camaro are likely, perhaps Stinger? Not sure that other manufacturers would see the benefit from participating, otherwise they have the opportunity to have entered already.

Supercars need to increase the attractiveness of the series - audience size, demographics, cost, etc.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 01:45 (Ref:3862939)   #6
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I can't even begin to think what cars under the present rules would be used apart from Mustang and Camaro and I think they have a limited interest span for the Oz audience. Beyond that it is big European sedans and they have about the same level of interest as the two American cars. For certain the rules would be a barrier for the Europeans and overall I don't think they would be interested at any level if they can't use their own drive line.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 02:30 (Ref:3862947)   #7
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I'd say that is a pretty big "if". While the V6 turbos have been dropped for the time being,
They don't even need to be V6 twin-turbos, fans loved the iconic Sierra Cosworth four cylinders which already produced ample power.

I think a move towards prestige compact sedans that actually come with rear-wheel-drive and that actually come with four cylinder turbo or six cylinder forced induction engine options is most crucial.

The field should be made up of:
- Alfa Romeo Giulia
- Jaguar XE
- Mercedes C-class
- BMW 3 series
- Hyundai Genesis G70
- Lexus IS
- Infiniti Q50

Cars that come from the factory with four doors, rear wheel drive, and which are performance-orientated. A touring car for crying out loud!



The current series seems to have lost the plot in terms of representing the kinds of performance cars that inner-city executives aspire to lease. Once upon a time they could cheer on the E30 M3, the 190E Cosworth and so on...

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Beyond that it is big European sedans
I think they should be compact sedans that are more nippy and over-powered.

Fans loved the HR31 Skyline, it was lightweight, agile, well-balanced at a meagre 1100kg race weight. Likewise Ford Sierra, likewise BMW M3.
The Infiniti Q50 is the modern day Skyline, and it would be great to see it and its rivals in the field!

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Old 13 Nov 2018, 02:59 (Ref:3862949)   #8
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They don't even need to be V6 twin-turbos, fans loved the iconic Sierra Cosworth four cylinders which already produced ample power.

I think a move towards prestige compact sedans that actually come with rear-wheel-drive and that actually come with four cylinder turbo or six cylinder forced induction engine options is most crucial.

The field should be made up of:
- Alfa Romeo Giulia
- Jaguar XE
- Mercedes C-class
- BMW 3 series
- Hyundai Genesis G70
- Lexus IS
- Infiniti Q50

Cars that come from the factory with four doors, rear wheel drive, and which are performance-orientated. A touring car for crying out loud!



The current series seems to have lost the plot in terms of representing the kinds of performance cars that inner-city executives aspire to lease. Once upon a time they could cheer on the E30 M3, the 190E Cosworth and so on...



I think they should be compact sedans that are more nippy and over-powered.

Fans loved the HR31 Skyline, it was lightweight, agile, well-balanced at a meagre 1100kg race weight. Likewise Ford Sierra, likewise BMW M3.
The Infiniti Q50 is the modern day Skyline, and it would be great to see it and its rivals in the field!
I doubt any of those cars will exist as they are today in five years time with the big shift to BEV or the temporary existence of new hybrids that bridge the gap from ICE to full electric. Polishing my crystal ball furiously I see all those cars as at least hybrid. If they reckon ICE V8's are expensive then hybrids are on another planet altogether.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 04:58 (Ref:3862969)   #9
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Realistically - a reactive, patched-up version of what it currently is.

Optimistically - it becomes a true touring car series, similar to what V8 Fireworks mentioned/proposed above.
Hopefully someone with foresight will assume control, and make it happen.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 08:31 (Ref:3862974)   #10
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As much as I didn't like Group A at the time, you can't argue the number of manufacturers involved which made it interesting. Maybe a return to something similar or V* Fireworks mentioned? I would hope what ever it Supercars morphs into that it becomes easier and cheaper for manufacturer involvement, more relevance to the market and easier for even privateers to be involved with.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 11:14 (Ref:3863007)   #11
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Only 4 years ago we had 5 manufacturers represented on the grid and all appeared rosy (on the surface anyway). Where we'll be in 5 years time I struggle to really conceptualise it. I honestly don't know and sadly probably don't care.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 11:45 (Ref:3863010)   #12
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Quote "The current series seems to have lost the plot in terms of representing the kinds of performance cars that inner-city executives aspire to lease. Once upon a time they could cheer on the E30 M3, the 190E Cosworth and so on..."


Geez you make me giggle sometimes, how many aspirational inner city "executives" are interested in motorsports (apart from yourself ?), I guess if we built bicycle paths to the race tracks, served smashed avos and lattes and sold lycra team supporter gear we could be onto something.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 13:27 (Ref:3863029)   #13
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The problem is, motorsport everywhere is becoming effectively one make racing. Even where they're not, the dreaded parity or balance of performance systems mean manufacturers make variations of the same car. There is nowhere a manufacturer genuinely competes against another using a car which is derived directly from what they put on the road. Which is unfortunate.

V8s have added another layer of problem by effectively limiting the manufacturers, and producing a car which is specific to a small market. It increases the cost and reduces the return. The basic idea of the cars is great - we're all very jealous - but it's now becoming bespoke cars built by specialist teams without needing any manufacturer input and is probably unsustainable in it's current form.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 21:32 (Ref:3863171)   #14
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how many aspirational inner city "executives" are interested in motorsports (apart from yourself ?)
same as how many gentleman GT drivers there are?
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They don't even need to be V6 twin-turbos, fans loved the iconic Sierra Cosworth four cylinders which already produced ample power.
We look back at these things with fondness now but at the time fans hated them, and then the GTR that came after them.

These cars were 100% the reason the V8 rules got put together.
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