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Old 1 Dec 2018, 00:30 (Ref:3867150)   #76
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Are they expecting Renault to give them a big sack of dosh to get Ricciardo out of his contract?
As I get older, I find myself getting more and more easily confused.
I thought the deal is already done.....

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Old 1 Dec 2018, 03:03 (Ref:3867176)   #77
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As I get older, I find myself getting more and more easily confused.
I thought the deal is already done.....
Yes the deal was long dusted and confirmed. I think that the notion behind the post was more based on Horner's refusal to allow Danny to test for Renault after season end (as with any other team releasing drivers, such as Ferrari allowing Sauber to use Kimi, Williams allowing Stroll at FI etc etc down pitlane)

Perhaps it was thought by Horner that Renault might pay an extra fee to Red Bull for the early release from Danny's RBR Contract early to allow him to test.

In reality Horner was just being his usual arrogant obnoxious self righteous and unpleasant lowlife self that we expect from him. ("Danny has a contract with RBR until 31st December blah blah blah".) So did all the other drivers released to their new teams without issue.
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Old 1 Dec 2018, 07:03 (Ref:3867206)   #78
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Yes the deal was long dusted and confirmed. I think that the notion behind the post was more based on Horner's refusal to allow Danny to test for Renault after season end (as with any other team releasing drivers, such as Ferrari allowing Sauber to use Kimi, Williams allowing Stroll at FI etc etc down pitlane)

Perhaps it was thought by Horner that Renault might pay an extra fee to Red Bull for the early release from Danny's RBR Contract early to allow him to test.

In reality Horner was just being his usual arrogant obnoxious self righteous and unpleasant lowlife self that we expect from him. ("Danny has a contract with RBR until 31st December blah blah blah".) So did all the other drivers released to their new teams without issue.
Aaahhh, but of course.
I thought the ink had already dried on the new contract but hadn't taken into consideration when the old one expired. Thank you.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 01:04 (Ref:3894578)   #79
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A bit of a thread dredge.....I wrote earlier in this thread the reasons that Verstappen might not win a world championship and I don't normally have knee jerk reactions to things that happen like on the weekend but you have to wonder if Leclerc has added to the hurdles Verstappen will have to overcome to be an F1 WDC. I am more than ever doubtful that Verstappen will be a WDC for a lot of reasons and one of them came third in Bahrain.
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A bit of a thread dredge.....I wrote earlier in this thread the reasons that Verstappen might not win a world championship and I don't normally have knee jerk reactions to things that happen like on the weekend but you have to wonder if Leclerc has added to the hurdles Verstappen will have to overcome to be an F1 WDC. I am more than ever doubtful that Verstappen will be a WDC for a lot of reasons and one of them came third in Bahrain.
The real hurdle for Verstappen is that, after years of not having an competitive powerunit, he now finally has one but now their chassis is inadequate and he know's it's probably fundamental enough to risk too many points at the first half of the championship.

You can see his frustration, each season starting with a car that is not competitive enough. Red Bull better get their act together.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 05:04 (Ref:3894588)   #81
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The real hurdle for Verstappen is that, after years of not having an competitive powerunit, he now finally has one but now their chassis is inadequate and he know's it's probably fundamental enough to risk too many points at the first half of the championship.

You can see his frustration, each season starting with a car that is not competitive enough. Red Bull better get their act together.
The car was a race-winner at the beginning of 2018.
Verstappen was not.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 05:37 (Ref:3894593)   #82
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The car was a race-winner at the beginning of 2018.
Verstappen was not.
You are correct. After making sure development was not finished at the last possible moment, RB started 2018 in better form (perhaps not an easy race winner, but close enough) and it was indeed mostly Max's own doing. To be fair that is probably his only weak period in F1 do far (apart from the occasional Monaco screw up).
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 10:25 (Ref:3894643)   #83
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The car was a race-winner at the beginning of 2018.
I disagree, that win in China was simply a case of profiting from other people's mistakes. The car itself was nowhere near victory pace. And I also disagree with the person who said Verstappen now has a better power unit. The evidence so far points to the predicted outcome that the switch to Honda has been a step backwards. I think Verstappen's talent is the only reason he's not under threat from Renault, Haas and McLaren just yet.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 13:56 (Ref:3894670)   #84
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Well, he has a contract with Red Bull until the end of 2020 if the internet is to be believed. IMO he should have held off signing the extension until he knew just how good or bad the Honda units were going to be, but hey what do I know.

Surely at the end of this contract he could engineer himself into Mercedes or Ferrari seat if he is still finishing 4th or 5th most races. Silly season could be fun if this all starts developing.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 16:26 (Ref:3894695)   #85
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Atm, hes doing better than Gasly. Early days I admit, but it shows the talent Max has
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Atm, hes doing better than Gasly. Early days I admit, but it shows the talent Max has
Or is it just showing that Gasly was promoted to the senior team too soon? Ricciardo leaving Red Bull left them with a problem - Verstappen wouldn't have Sainz alongside him so their hand was forced and they had to put Gasly in the car sooner than they'd have liked. The fact that they had to bring Hartley back last season for Torro Rosso and this seasons Torro Rosso lineup is the already rejected Albon and the multi rejected Kvyat - which suggests the Red Bull talent pool is running dry.
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Or is it just showing that Gasly was promoted to the senior team too soon? Ricciardo leaving Red Bull left them with a problem - Verstappen wouldn't have Sainz alongside him so their hand was forced and they had to put Gasly in the car sooner than they'd have liked. The fact that they had to bring Hartley back last season for Torro Rosso and this seasons Torro Rosso lineup is the already rejected Albon and the multi rejected Kvyat - which suggests the Red Bull talent pool is running dry.
They're all just placeholders for Ticktum surely?

But the next question is: are there any talents in the pipeline after Ticktum?

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Well, he has a contract with Red Bull until the end of 2020 if the internet is to be believed. <snip>
Surely at the end of this contract he could engineer himself into Mercedes or Ferrari seat if he is still finishing 4th or 5th most races.
Or not. If Leclerc proves to be the real deal, what is to say Ferrari doesn't chose any of their other youngsters to replace Vettel (probably). The better Leclerc does, the higher I think they will just look in their own pool of drivers
* Leclerc may be a multiple race winner at the end of 2000, maybe even world champion
* Schumacher jr or Alesi jr. may have won the F2 championship by that time. Maybe even both of them.
* they also have Giovinazzi, who may have proved himself (or may be dropped altogether)
* a bit further down, there's also Armstrong and Schwarzman, currently in F3. They may be in F2 by 2020 and even win it.
* I think I forgot at least 1 or maybe even 2 names

If Leclerc does suprise, and the youngsters do well, they may not need Verstappen.

Same can be said of Mercedes: they have Ocon and Russell and they may prefer to promote 1 or both if needed.


Or not.

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I disagree, that win in China was simply a case of profiting from other people's mistakes. The car itself was nowhere near victory pace.
Ricciardo passed a Mercedes on merit.
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Well, he has a contract with Red Bull until the end of 2020 if the internet is to be believed. IMO he should have held off signing the extension until he knew just how good or bad the Honda units were going to be, but hey what do I know.

Surely at the end of this contract he could engineer himself into Mercedes or Ferrari seat if he is still finishing 4th or 5th most races. Silly season could be fun if this all starts developing.
That is a major problem for him as he is a hot head who does himself no favours at times and I am supposing that teams do not like hot heads who try and remonstrate with other drivers after a race. Another thing is every other driver now knows that it is easy to wind him up which is not a good thing. Alonso is an awesome driver but he could not get a seat in a winning team.
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Ricciardo passed a Mercedes on merit.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but Ricciardo had much faster tires which is the only reason he could make that pass.

And it helped that his teammate who should have won that race screwed up
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