[Driver] 2018 F1 team mate battles

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Now we wait for the questions on how someone who finished 14th in the race could possibly be ranked #1? Or how someone who DNF'd be rated 4th best?

No need to wait - you've asked the question yourself.

You'll also find the answers to your questions are also provided in the link you gave:

'our team of experts assess each driver after every Grand Prix and score them according to their performance across the weekend - taking machinery out of the equation. Our experts' scores are then combined to produce an ongoing overall ranking which reflects driver form'

An interesting aside to his might be a comparison of the TenTenths DOTR form compared to the F1 Power Rankings?

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Because it wasn't Bottas fault he dropped down to 14th perhaps?

Ahh.. yes, precisely S griffin. My comment on possible questions on why was tongue and cheek, relating back to the first round where questions were asked why Ericsson was in the top ten ranked for Australia. See below.

Originally Posted by chunterer

Ericsson there at all��

Originally Posted by gert

My thoughts exactly. After all he only took part in 5 of the 58 laps, hence missed more than 91% of the race.

Originally Posted by S griffin

Don’t know how Ericsson got into the top ten

Yes, Ericsson only did 6 laps, but his Q3 performance and the 6 laps he drove in the race were good enough to be ranked 9th for round 1. Some people were questioning why and how?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Yes, Ericsson only did 6 laps, but his Q3 performance and the 6 laps he drove in the race were good enough to be ranked 9th for round 1. Some people were questioning why and how?

The difference being - after one race, people were questioning how 6 racing laps could be enough to make an assessment. After Baku, (in the context of a rolling 3-race assessment) everyone can see how Bottas has been graded so high.

There are no questions coming over Bottas' ranking - except the one you asked yourself, which we now know was yet another attempt to troll other users on the forum here.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Yes, Ericsson only did 6 laps, but his Q3 performance and the 6 laps he drove in the race were good enough to be ranked 9th for round 1.

That should be Q1. Not Q3.

If Ericsson had made it to Q3, I would also "believe in Ericsson". The Messiah!

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Ahh.. yes, precisely S griffin. My comment on possible questions on why was tongue and cheek, relating back to the first round where questions were asked why Ericsson was in the top ten ranked for Australia. See below.



Yes, Ericsson only did 6 laps, but his Q3 performance and the 6 laps he drove in the race were good enough to be ranked 9th for round 1. Some people were questioning why and how?

The wierd thing is, after only 6 laps and q1, people were closer to agreeing with your first position, that ericsson didn't belong on the grid. Then after you flipped to a guy undeserving of being on the grid was a top 10 driver, others still realized that was a silly line to take and continued saying he was close to undeserving of bekng on the grid. Now you're attempting to belittle those that were originally agreeing with you until you went off the reservation. Utter nonsense.

[Skam85]

We get it F1Guy, you’re better than us all and know far more. Your little internet persona is one of being an antagonistic little man, taking pot shots at every possible opportunity, belitting forum posters and F1 drivers alike without any desire to have an actual conversation.

It’s tiresome, and you need to pull your head in.

However I’m sure this is exactly the response that makes you tick.

[F1Guy]

Team-mate battle results for qualifying after round five.


Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 3
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 2

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 4
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 1

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 2
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 3

Force India: Sergio Perez - 2
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 3

Williams: Lance Stroll - 2
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 3

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 4
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 1

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 3
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 2

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 1
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 4

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 5
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 0

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 2
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 3


A McLaren into Q3 for the first time this year. Vandoorne is beaten by his team-mate once again (is that a knock I hear Stoffel?) Sainz get's one over his team-mate finally, and does it in style.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Sainz get's one over his team-mate finally, and does it in style.

It's been revealed that Hulkenberg was having fuel pressure issues, so Sainz may have done in style but Hulkenberg was disadvantaged with an issue out of his control.

[Aysedasi]

Yes, it was hardly 'in style'......

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Yes, it was hardly 'in style'......

Harsh Ayse.

Hulkenberg has had it over Sainz all season up until yesterday. P16 for Hulkenberg, P10 for Sainz. Six place difference in the same car... I would say that to be 'in style'.. no?

Well... up until we were told about Hulk's fuel pressure issue at least.

[Aysedasi]

Hardly. As I recall, he had just a single run at it....

Whatever. I still rate the Hulk highly. I'd put my money on him finishing higher in the order than Carlos by season's end, despite the fact that many rave about the Spaniard.

[F1Guy]

Team mate battle results for the race after round five.


Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 3
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 2

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 3
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 2 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Spain)

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 2 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Azerbaijan)
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 1 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Azerbaijan)

Force India: Sergio Perez - 3
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 2 (2 DNF: Azerbaijan, Spain)

Williams: Lance Stroll - 5
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 0 (2 DNF: Australia, Azerbaijan)

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 3 (2 DNF: Azerbaijan, Spain)
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 2

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 2 (2 DNF: Australia, Spain)
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 3 (1 DNF: China)

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 0 (3 DNF: Australia, Azerbaijan, Spain)
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 4 (1 DNF: Australia)

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 5
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 0 (1 DNF: Spain)

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 2 (1 DNF: Australia)
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 3

[F1Guy]

F1 driver ranking post Spanish GP.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...t-leclerc.html


Leclerc rockets in at number 4. His highly rated team mate however, is not on the list.

[F1Guy]

Team-mate battle results for qualifying after round six.


Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 4
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 2

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 5
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 1

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 3
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 3

Force India: Sergio Perez - 2
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 4

Williams: Lance Stroll - 2
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 4

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 4
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 2

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 4
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 2

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 2
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 4

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 6
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 0

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 2
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 4



Verstappen's over confidence (some say cockiness) cost him once again. Leclerc absolutely squashed his highly rated team mate in Q1. Stroll got rolled. Gasly does Hartley part 4. Six and O for Alonso. Vettee done Kimee. Hamilton beat Bottas. Ocon beats Perez. And Ricciardo is on pole!!!

[F1Guy]

Team-mate battle results for the race after round six.


Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton - 4
Mercedes: Valtteri Bottas - 2

Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel - 4
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen - 2 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Spain)

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo - 3 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Azerbaijan)
Red Bull: Max Verstappen - 1 (2 DNF: Bahrain, Azerbaijan)

Force India: Sergio Perez - 3
Force India: Esteban Ocon - 3 (2 DNF: Azerbaijan, Spain)

Williams: Lance Stroll - 5
Williams: Sergey Sirotkin - 1 (2 DNF: Australia, Azerbaijan)

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg - 4 (2 DNF: Azerbaijan, Spain)
Renault: Carlos Sainz Jnr - 2

Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly - 3 (2 DNF: Australia, Spain)
Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley - 3 (2 DNF: China, Monaco)

Haas: Romain Grosjean - 0 (3 DNF: Australia, Azerbaijan, Spain)
Haas: Kevin Magnussen - 5 (1 DNF: Australia)

McLaren: Fernando Alonso - 5 (1 DNF: Monaco)
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne - 1 (1 DNF: Spain)

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson - 3 (1 DNF: Australia)
Sauber: Charles Leclerc - 3 (1 DNF: Monaco)

[F1Guy]

Vandoorne has to be the biggest disappointment of 2018 for me. He wasn't that flash in 2017 either. Came to F1 with a lot of people saying he was an exceptional talent, and would take it to Alonso.

If it wasn't for Alonso's DNF in Monaco, it would have been 6 and 0 in favour of Alonso for qualifying and in the races. Vandoorne is getting his backside handed to him this year.

I was one of them who had high hopes (expectations) for Vandoorne when he arrived in F1. Now I'm thinking McLaren should cut him loose at the end of the year. But who will take his place? Add to that the rumours in Monaco that Alonso is retiring at the end of the year. McLaren will need at least one exceptional driver asap if Alonso does retire. And Vandoorne is not it.

Ricciardo to McLaren if Alonso retires?? DR can take his knowledge of the RB chassis, and long with his experience with the Renault PU, he could mould the team around him, and take McLaren back to the front possibly?

[dsg]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Ricciardo to McLaren if Alonso retires??

No chance. Ricciardo is only going to be in a Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull next year. However if Ricciardo goes somewhere other than Red Bull its possible Kimi or Valtteri could go there.

[F1Guy]

Driver rankings post Monaco below. Hamilton takes top spot, and we have two new entries in the top ten.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...e-charts-.html


Ricciardo jumps six spots to 2nd. Well deserved I think. While his highly rated team-mate, is not even in the top ten!
Leclerc, in only his 6th F1 GP, has well and truly squashed his team-mate Ericsson, who has 82 F1 starts.

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by dsg

No chance. Ricciardo is only going to be in a Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull next year. However if Ricciardo goes somewhere other than Red Bull its possible Kimi or Valtteri could go there.

DR to McLaren unlikely I have to agree. But with rumours that the doors at Ferrari and Mercedes almost closed for DR, added to that the rumours from Monaco that Alonso may be retiring, I was just putting it out there. Still, you never know.


I don't think you'll see Bottas or Raikkonen at Red Bull next year. No chance.

[F1Guy]

Apparently, Gasly might have a new team-mate in the not too distant future. The talk was Hartley wasn't going to be retained for 2019, but it seems he might be out sooner than that.

The potential candidates apparently are Wehrlein, Giovinazzi and..... Kubica!


Gasly vs Kubica is one team-mate battle I would love to see!

[chunterer]

I think you need to breathe a bit chap.

All this wild speculation must be taking its toll?

[F1Guy]

Polish media reporting on Kubica replacing Hartley...

https://sport.onet.pl/formula-1/spek...stapic/nbjxgdd

https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/formula-...e-sie-odmienic


And others...

http://www.f1i.fr/infos/kubica-a-pla...ez-toro-rosso/

https://www.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOn...rosso-20180531

[F1Guy]

2018 team-mate comparisons, part one by James Allen.

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2018/...-team-honours/

[Mekola]

I still believe Lando Norris could be Vandoorne's teammate somewhere in this season...

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Polish media reporting on Kubica replacing Hartley...

https://sport.onet.pl/formula-1/spek...stapic/nbjxgdd

https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/formula-...e-sie-odmienic


And others...

http://www.f1i.fr/infos/kubica-a-pla...ez-toro-rosso/

https://www.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOn...rosso-20180531

Ja taksamo hovoriu po polski, troha troha. From my Ukrainian, of course.
BTW thanks.