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Old 19 Nov 2021, 07:44 (Ref:4084312)   #16
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andy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridandy97 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I am sure that costs have increased but there are still a hell of a lot of licence holders and still some clubs/ events (750, CSCC, MSVR etc) thriving. AMOC is not thriving, why is that, that’s the important question?
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Old 19 Nov 2021, 08:36 (Ref:4084316)   #17
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Maybe you've hit upon it. The multi-marque nature of the clubs you mentioned. Maybe there aren't enough core cars (Aston Martins) being raced any more to sustain a series and what they offer to other marques is covered better by other clubs.

One single Marque club that seems to do well is MGCC, but here there are many sub- marques that race, not just relying on "classic" cars. Metros, Fs, Zs - all have racing dedicated to them and there's still a pool of reasonably priced cars to draw from.

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Old 23 Nov 2021, 16:32 (Ref:4085145)   #18
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Bentley Drivers Club still thriving.
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Old 25 Nov 2021, 19:40 (Ref:4085457)   #19
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I suspect one-make championships can suffer if the vehicles involved are relatively high value/rare. The series based around the cheaper, higher volume cars seem to do OK, but I've seen some very thin grids for the more specialised vehicle series - even my beloved Alfas haven't been generating full grids, although the ARCA series organisers have done a lot of hard work which seems to be bearing fruit in larger average grids than were the case a few years ago - of course they also changed the organisation that they raced under


As a relatively recent (the last 12 years or so) convert to circuit racing, having been involved in stage rallying from the mid-70s I've largely raced with CSCC and although they have done an excellent job of maintaining and managing series which provide good racing for a wide range of vehicles, it has been noticeable that even with series that use "success penalties" to mitigate against big wallets dominating, there does seem to have been a continuing trend for the amount of money involved to escalate - you only have to look at the size of the motorhomes in the paddock



I think the issues mentioned that militate against the real amateur competing are similar in racing and rallying - the base costs of time-lifed safety kit and its maintenance, on top of the licencing and medical costs do tend to prevent, or at least put off, the "casual" competitor who might want to do the 3 or 4 "local" events, and whose entries can top up a series's core competitors to ensure reasonably full grids......


All a fair way of the question of the viability of AMOC, I accept
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Old 2 Jan 2022, 10:47 (Ref:4092180)   #20
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I think all the one make clubs have suffered in recent years. The advent of many more historic series and the cost of the cars has seen new competitors buy cars and move to what they see as prestigious events. AMOC have tried various ideas but there is an ongoing power struggle in the club between the racers and the polishers. They have submitted plans to build a heritage centre in Newport Pagnall not far from the AM sales centre.
The MGCC has seen a loss of entries as well and now has to rely on invited series to make a viable meeting. Since the Equipe series went commercial (very successfully) costs have gone up but there are lots of new competitors who have replaced those who use to race in the series like myself. Many cars are professionally built and run and a "new" FIA MG B will cost four times what mine cost me to build. Equipe now run their own meetings or buy grids for organisers. It's not just MGCC that have suffered as other series for Triumph, Healey etc have all more or less gone.
It's a similar story with Bentley DC who still run their Silverstone meeting as they get a discounted hire rate having helped BRDC at the start. Bentleys for years remained in the same family but the escalating worth has seen the latest generation cash the cars in and a completely new type of owner with unlimited funds and interests. Hence the number of Bentleys used on historic regularity rallies and the like.
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Old 2 Jan 2022, 12:15 (Ref:4092189)   #21
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Not all doom and gloom though. New clubs are still being formed. Richard Culverhouse's Classic & Modern Motorsport Club (CMMC) is one.
Now organising series for: Modified/Super Saloons, Tin Tops & Intermarque Silhouettes, mainly racing in the south with their own 2 day meeting & Mallory in May. The club also run stand alone races for Classic Cars.
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