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Old 1 Apr 2019, 11:01 (Ref:3894647)   #16
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Ferrari after their performance in Melbourne turned things around. Can't vote for Mercedes, they simply got lucky and Bottas severely underperformed.
Interesting take. Whilst Ferrari certainly found the pace they were missing in Melbourne they had a failure on one car (lucky to finish after losing a cylinder) and the other car took itself of contention with a spin then front wing falling off as a result. Mercedes did get lucky - but they had both cars still capable of getting lucky. Ferrari had the fastest car and blew it.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 11:30 (Ref:3894652)   #17
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Ferrari after their performance in Melbourne turned things around. Can't vote for Mercedes, they simply got lucky and Bottas severely underperformed.
Apparently Bottas got a plastic bag stuck in his front wing, which was costing him performance.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 14:13 (Ref:3894671)   #18
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Interesting take. Whilst Ferrari certainly found the pace they were missing in Melbourne they had a failure on one car (lucky to finish after losing a cylinder) and the other car took itself of contention with a spin then front wing falling off as a result. Mercedes did get lucky - but they had both cars still capable of getting lucky. Ferrari had the fastest car and blew it.
There are indeed multiple takes on this, but in my view the car failed Ferrari as a team and not the other way around. Although to be fair, I think they should have waited with pitting Vettel and given up track position to Hamilton, just like the first stint.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 15:05 (Ref:3894676)   #19
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Im not sure where or how exactly SV damaged his front wing, but if it was from the kerbs maybe Ferrari made set up choices that ultimately caused different issues/vibrations which led to the engine failure in their other car.

Pure speculation on my part but along the lines of the difficulty in seperating the car from the team.... In other words, i guess im not really making much of a point at all.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 15:14 (Ref:3894677)   #20
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Im not sure where or how exactly SV damaged his front wing, but if it was from the kerbs maybe Ferrari made set up choices that ultimately caused different issues/vibrations which led to the engine failure in their other car.

Pure speculation on my part but along the lines of the difficulty in seperating the car from the team.... In other words, i guess im not really making much of a point at all.
The consensus seems to be that the wing failed due to vibrations, caused by flat spots following the spin.

So it could be argued Vettel broke his wing by causing his car to vibrate too much?

'Worse, though, was that the spin appeared to cause vibrations on Vettelís medium tyres which then led to a dramatic moment when his front wing submarined under his car down Bahrainís back straight, forcing him to pit for a new nose.'


Vettel: 'I obviously had the spin [...] Due to that I had a lot of vibrations so when I was going down the straight I had lots of vibrations and that caused the front wing to break.'
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 16:09 (Ref:3894686)   #21
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The consensus seems to be that the wing failed due to vibrations, caused by flat spots following the spin.

So it could be argued Vettel broke his wing by causing his car to vibrate too much?

'Worse, though, was that the spin appeared to cause vibrations on Vettelís medium tyres which then led to a dramatic moment when his front wing submarined under his car down Bahrainís back straight, forcing him to pit for a new nose.'


Vettel: 'I obviously had the spin [...] Due to that I had a lot of vibrations so when I was going down the straight I had lots of vibrations and that caused the front wing to break.'
I can't remember ever seeing anyone lose their front wing because of too much vibration. If that's the case, Ferrari will need to look at how the front wing is attached to the car.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 16:31 (Ref:3894696)   #23
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I'd stopped watching F1, by 2005, as I got bored with Schumacher and Ferrari's dominance. That's 14 years since the last time.
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Was Kimi 2005 when his from tire was so badly flat spotted that the front suspension let go shortly before the end of the race? If that's the case, the car was under severe vibration for a while before things fell apart.

Vettel's front wing came off in short order after the spin which would lead to tell me how super fragile these front wings are this year. Ricci's wing peeled off pretty easy too hitting that grass side walk at the start in Oz.

We have all seen where cars have even taken some bad bumps and some air and the wings have stayed intact.

Just seems bizarre how quickly Vettel's wing came off. Maybe there is more to the story, who knows.

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Was Kimi 2005 when his from tire was so badly flat spotted that the front suspension let go shortly before the end of the race? If that's the case, the car was under severe vibration for a while before things fell apart.

Vettel's front wing came off in short order after the spin which would lead to tell me how super fragile these front wings are this year. Ricci's wing peeled off pretty easy too hitting that grass side walk at the start in Oz.

We have all seen where cars have even taken some bad bumps and some air and the wings have stayed intact.

Just seems bizarre how quickly Vettel's wing came off. Maybe there is more to the story, who knows.

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I have read that there is an approach with the Ferrari front wing, where they focus on energy towards the centre of the nose, as opposed to others who focus on the endplates.

This has been speculated as a cause for the lack of performance in Australia, where the more undulating surface made this less effective, or required thicker supports.
At the 'smooth' circuits (Barcelona and Bahrain), they can be thinner and more focussed on the nose.

This could be the reason why this is a potential weak point in the car, which is exposed on rough surfaces (or when the car is not stable). It might also explain why the car reacted so suddenly when crossing a vortex, as there is a single aero point that has its flow broken.
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Was Kimi 2005 when his from tire was so badly flat spotted that the front suspension let go shortly before the end of the race? If that's the case, the car was under severe vibration for a while before things fell apart.

Vettel's front wing came off in short order after the spin which would lead to tell me how super fragile these front wings are this year. Ricci's wing peeled off pretty easy too hitting that grass side walk at the start in Oz.

We have all seen where cars have even taken some bad bumps and some air and the wings have stayed intact.

Just seems bizarre how quickly Vettel's wing came off. Maybe there is more to the story, who knows.

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If I remember correctly, Kimi did several laps on the flat-spotted tyre before the suspension failed. Vettel only did a couple of corners before his wing came off. Either the wing posts are far too fragile, or there's more to this story than we are being told. I hadn't thought of it before, but perhaps Leclerc should have been very nervous about his own front wing after that.
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