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Old 20 May 2019, 15:43 (Ref:3904903)   #101
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Just because he's raced in F1 and sportscars at a pretty high level (and some time ago) doesn't mean that someone can hop into a BTCC car and mix it with the big boys, it is a different style.

I seem to remember a certain Mr Mansell looking like an accident about to happen all on his own but was saved the embarrassment by having someone run into the back of him that he could blame for the crash!


And didn’t Tiff say something like, ‘if I had known he would blame me, I wouldn’t have braked’?

I remember Patrese once said having done a season in the STW that to succeed in tip tops you have to be a specialist in that category

It’s usually easier for single seater drivers in the DTM as that’s more a silhouette series, than a saloon series
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Old 20 May 2019, 15:45 (Ref:3904904)   #102
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Some of the interview can be found in the article here.
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Old 20 May 2019, 15:57 (Ref:3904905)   #103
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I honestly think he shouldn’t be in this championship because he’s that far off – it’s dangerous.
so no mention of Nic Hamilton who is even slower than Blundell ?
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Old 20 May 2019, 16:01 (Ref:3904906)   #104
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Nic Hamilton has been closer to the midfield than Blundell, although Blundell got 2 points thanks to the right tyre choice at Brands
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Old 20 May 2019, 16:58 (Ref:3904913)   #105
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Some pretty serious chat from Tom Chilton post-Thruxton regarding Mark Blundell.

"I said to him yesterday ‘I shouldn’t have to say this to you, Mark, you’re ex-Formula 1, ex-Le Mans winner, but you looked like you were completely out of your depth’.

I honestly think he shouldn’t be in this championship because he’s that far off – it’s dangerous.

He’s the most inexperienced-to-look-at driver I’ve ever seen in British Touring Cars. I really think he should seriously think about pulling out – that’s my gut feeling
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He has looked far more out of his depth than I'd expected pre-season but I'm not sure he'll back out. Certainly seems to be generating some fairly decent exposure for his sponsors even though he's pedalling around at the back.

Still enjoyed the racing overall at Thruxton, despite a relative lack of action.

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Blundell is absolutely out of his depth, but he isn't dangerous IMO. He's right at the back, but he's not 10 seconds off the back and unable to hold a line.

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Old 20 May 2019, 17:19 (Ref:3904920)   #106
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I had my fist visit to Thruxton yesterday for a very long time, courtesy of a birthday present from my son and his girlfriend. I actually got sunburn from the couple of hours of quite strong sunshine (and my forgetfulness, hat-wise). I only saw the first two races - we decided to leave before the crush (having taken the best part of 45 minutes to get into the circuit that morning). I confess I found the two races really quite dull and I was surprised to find the competitors far more well behaved than when I used to watch the BTCC regularly years ago. But it was worth going for a sensational Mini Miglia race........

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Old 20 May 2019, 21:07 (Ref:3904970)   #107
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Well we know how good Focus has been in the past. I’m not sure about the Audi though. Is Jake Hill punching above the car’s weight?

Speaking of Ollie, he has been a bit of a disappointment so far. I didn’t expect him to be beating Chilton, but I did expect him to get a few points here and there. Maybe Chilton like Hill is punching above the car’s weight
Remember that Chilton has more experience in the Focus than Jackson does, so you'd expect him to be a long way ahead.

However I do think it's probably not a great car, and Chilton is getting more than he should out of it.
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Old 20 May 2019, 22:12 (Ref:3904983)   #108
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It has to sting for Blundell to hear comments like that. But for them to come from Chilton... wow.
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Old 21 May 2019, 15:39 (Ref:3905079)   #109
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Putting aside his former career - is the same question of pulling out of the series being asked of the drivers who are behind him in the championship?

If you are looking at someone being 'far off', then surely the best measure is your team-mate?
On that basis, perhaps Chilton should take a look around his own garage first before suggesting drivers in other teams withdraw?

Blundell is 55 points behind his team-mate.
Jackson is 63 behind his - and their stable-mate is 68 behind.

Or is it just a case of being upset over a qualifying incident, and not being able to get on with his own driving?
Jackson is that far behind Chilton on points due to the fact he is getting taken out of races by other drivers.
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Old 21 May 2019, 15:45 (Ref:3905081)   #110
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Jackson is that far behind Chilton on points due to the fact he is getting taken out of races by other drivers.
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I had my fist visit to Thruxton yesterday for a very long time, courtesy of a birthday present from my son and his girlfriend. I actually got sunburn from the couple of hours of quite strong sunshine (and my forgetfulness, hat-wise). I only saw the first two races - we decided to leave before the crush (having taken the best part of 45 minutes to get into the circuit that morning). I confess I found the two races really quite dull and I was surprised to find the competitors far more well behaved than when I used to watch the BTCC regularly years ago. But it was worth going for a sensational Mini Miglia race........
I watched most of the races on telly yesterday, having been at Snetterton on Sunday. The BTCC races were definitely completely shaded, as I expected, by the Minis. They're always superb whichever track they're on.
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Old 21 May 2019, 15:48 (Ref:3905083)   #112
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Jackson is that far behind Chilton on points due to the fact he is getting taken out of races by other drivers.

But that's the problem, Ollie always seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, he's one of those drivers that seems to spend all season pootling round in the mid to back of the field with half the bodywork hanging off.


The Focus "RS" is a more than capable car in the right hands, as demonstrated by various drivers over the years, but must be getting towards the end of its development cycle.


Had Mat stayed on with the team last year I suspect he would have been in with a shout of the title.
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Old 21 May 2019, 15:52 (Ref:3905084)   #113
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Remember that Chilton has more experience in the Focus than Jackson does, so you'd expect him to be a long way ahead.

However I do think it's probably not a great car, and Chilton is getting more than he should out of it.
The Focus has always seemed to run mediocre in the first half of a season. The second half usually bringing much better results. Chilton was joint 4th going into Thruxton and if he hadn't lost his Brands win he would have held 4th on his own. They just struggled to get the tyres working for them at Thruxton. But if the car is so bad, explain how he managed to finish each race several places further up the grid in what others have described as processional races with very little overtaking.
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Old 21 May 2019, 15:56 (Ref:3905085)   #114
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The Focus "RS" is a more than capable car in the right hands, as demonstrated by various drivers over the years, but must be getting towards the end of its development cycle.
This is only it's 2nd season. The cars were dismantled and completely rebuilt after 2017.
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I watched most of the races on telly yesterday, having been at Snetterton on Sunday. The BTCC races were definitely completely shaded, as I expected, by the Minis. They're always superb whichever track they're on.
A silly thing that struck me was after the Mini races, the Marshals all appeared to come out onto the track & enthusiastically wave to, wave flags at & cheer the drivers, just like they did in the 80's when I was racing the things. The reaction to the BTCC drivers seemed far less involved!
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A silly thing that struck me was after the Mini races, the Marshals all appeared to come out onto the track & enthusiastically wave to, wave flags at & cheer the drivers, just like they did in the 80's when I was racing the things. The reaction to the BTCC drivers seemed far less involved!
I think the marvelous racing from those mini drivers elicited that response.....
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If there was a track built for Mini racing, it’s Thruxton. Packs of cars slipstreaming. I think I saw 7 cars abreast going into the chicane in one of the races
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....on virtually every lap!
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Agree this was one of the most dull weekends of BTCC for a long while. I dont know what has changed but it was much a precession today.

Team Hard tbh are as you say non existent, I want to like them but theres nothing going for them. Bushell pulled a master stroke getting the race engineer role at AMD as hes probably getting much more respect and getting noticed more doing that than pulling into the puts with problems or crashing which is generally all Team Hard seem to do.
I would rater Jake in a better team, but where could he go? he wants to keep in the paddock for when something better comes up.

It cant all be the car, the car was a race winner and teams and independents championship winner with BMR in 2015, I heard Team Hard started messing about trying to shorten the car but i dont know if thats correct - im guessing that the R&D team at VAG knows better than Tony and his crew after all.

Its looking a BMW walkover, the ballast being reduced this year doesnt help with that, a BMW win in R1 will now mean in R2 they can get away from the grid quicker and by the looks of the last 2 rounds be pretty unchallenged until theres the reverse grid to deal with
Apparently the car is quick in the corners but lacking on the straights. I can't understand this though as last year the car went well at Silverstone.
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Apparently the car is quick in the corners but lacking on the straights. I can't understand this though as last year the car went well at Silverstone.

quite odd when in that case they should have done a lot better at Brands and Donington.
The CC has a "slippery" look to it so i expected it to be decent on straights, interesting considering in its first year TOC had multiple podiums in the VW, and Plato got a win at Thruxton in the car, I know everyone has moved on but they have clearly stagnated
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I seem to remember some cars struggling to pass the VWs at Donington due to it’s straightline speed
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Great to see Rory Butcher doing so well in his first full season full season in the championship


Joint leader on 102pts after 3 Rounds


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Seen and heard a few people mention that team hard tried to shorten the wheelbase on the CC. Did that actually happen? and why?
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It's Rorys second full season in the championship.

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Seen and heard a few people mention that team hard tried to shorten the wheelbase on the CC. Did that actually happen? and why?
I've seen that mentioned a few times before, but never with any proof that it actually happened.

It seems unlikely because the NGTC build requirements state:

'Once you have chosen your base car you will need to locate the position for the front and rear ‘subframes’. This is determined by the layout of your chosen base vehicle, as the wheelbase of the race car must remain within the +/-10mm tolerance of the homologated road car figure.'

Which means that:
A) the original CC build must have been close to +10mm to make any change effective (possible).
B) team hard were willing to fund a new design and fabrication for the central ROP cage (improbable).
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