Does the car make the man or does the man make the car? - Page 2

race aficionado · 27 Feb 2002, 03:10 (Ref:223375)

Quote:

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
The car will only make the man only if the man is good.

To answer the question of this thread, I can think of no better answer.

mac · 27 Feb 2002, 05:38 (Ref:223398)

The car can also destroy the man too.

The '99 Williams was appalling in many ways (least of which was reliability), and Zanardi, in his first year in that type of car practically had his career destroyed by it. Because it was a Williams, it was thought he would perform extremely well, but it was probably the worst Williams ever.

Valve Bounce · 27 Feb 2002, 05:53 (Ref:223401)

And think what BAR did for the man who had just won the WDC

Dino IV · 27 Feb 2002, 14:32 (Ref:223651)

About a year ago Fisichella described the ratio between car\and driver as 80\20. After the introduction of the all-adjusting driver-aids he reconsidered that to 90\10, maybe even worse. Well hey, see where Ralf drives and he doesn't look even very pale to Montoya, that's how bad it is.

neilap · 27 Feb 2002, 14:42 (Ref:223656)

Explain Alesi, and Giancarlo, and now JV. Sure we can say MS made Ferrari but he did that off the track. What he does in the car is the icing on the cake.

Number Juan · 27 Feb 2002, 19:44 (Ref:223901)

lets all remember hungaroring 97'.....what a race!!!

Mr V · 27 Feb 2002, 21:03 (Ref:223973)

the man does make the difference imo, thats why mika won the wdc twice over dc, and why tgf's won the wdc at ferrari twice over rubens

Valve Bounce · 27 Feb 2002, 23:07 (Ref:224070)

Drivers have their own agenda on making these statements. However, if the ratio was really 90/10, it would be easily disproved by the disparity between drivers in the same team if they were not equal in ability. Take Alex Yoong, for instance, and you will see from Friday onwards that the Webster will show what I mean. It was the same last year with Fernando and his team mate. Maybe Fisi will also disprove his theory with a better performance against an inferior team mate in Bernoldi than his 90/10 ratio would suggest.

The Accomplice · 27 Feb 2002, 23:48 (Ref:224090)

As the old saying goes you need the package to be right, Chassis, engine, tyres, team and driver. TGF wouldn't win the WDC in a Minardi and Yoong isn't going to win it in a Ferrari.

Jay · 28 Feb 2002, 01:29 (Ref:224116)

Easy: The car makes the man. A man can help a little, and keep it on the track, but it's the car that determines whether he finishes in 1st or 15th.

This year, I'd say it's 95% car, 5% driver.

Just have him keep it on the track...

Valve Bounce · 28 Feb 2002, 03:53 (Ref:224157)

Quote:

Originally posted by The Accomplice
MSch wouldn't win the WDC in a Minardi and Yoong isn't going to win it in a Ferrari.

No, quite right. However, if you put them both in Minardis, MSch would lap Yoong. QED

Gt_R · 28 Feb 2002, 10:18 (Ref:224286)

Yeah...Michael wouldn't definitely win the WDC with the Minardi competing with the normal grid, but if all the other 21 drivers are in Minardis...Michael will still win.

A good team would make a car good.
A good car would make a driver good.
A good driver would then use the good car to get good results.

However, An exceptional driver, if really good, would build a good team that makes a good car that makes the driver be even better.

Compare JPM in Williams with JPM in Minardi..yes, the car makes the man.
Compare Montoya in Williams with Marques in Williams..and its the driver that makes the car.

That is why, F1 is more than the car, more than the driver, and more than the team. It is only the best package that wins.

BBKing · 28 Feb 2002, 14:56 (Ref:224429)

Quote:

Originally posted by Gt_R
Yeah...Michael wouldn't definitely win the WDC with the Minardi competing with the normal grid, but if all the other 21 drivers are in Minardis...Michael will still win.

YOu mean 20. His teammate will never get the same Minardi....LOL

Plus if Minardi dances the Ferrari song then the other 20 drivers might have to play slave for Schumacher....LOL

Gt_R · 28 Feb 2002, 16:00 (Ref:224474)

BBK...i'd give you on this one.

Its nice of you to agree that if the other 20, not 21 , drivers (as you corrected) are made to drive the same Minardis as Michael, Michael will still win. I really meant Michael would beat the other 21, but you mean only 20 of them excluding teammate would be beaten...okay.

Din't expect such a generous opinion from you...LOL

BBKing · 28 Feb 2002, 17:33 (Ref:224554)

You are welcome Gt_R. Just do not forget how important is to have his teammate as slave. You and I know that the other talented drivers would have to deal with their teammates first. Having the luxury of an slave has to give Schumacher the upper hand. I am glad you see the importance of having an Slave, at least for Schumacher....LOL

Dickie Thrust · 28 Feb 2002, 17:56 (Ref:224580)

Quote:

[i]Originally posted by Valve Bounce
No, quite right. However, if you put them both in Minardis, MSch would lap Yoong.

VB your right , but I could lap Yoong.

Gt_R · 1 Mar 2002, 01:41 (Ref:224887)

BBK...i can see a little importance to have somebody driving to assist you in races, but i don't agree to the extent of your opinion on slavery regarding the Schumi-Barrichello issue.

BBKing · 1 Mar 2002, 01:54 (Ref:224892)

You know that my opinions are on the "Black or White" side....LOL

I am glad the season has started so we have les to fight about....LOL

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