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3 Jul 2020, 14:22 (Ref:3985311) | #26 | |
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Red Bull seems a bit skittish. Max's pace doesn't seem too bad relative to Hamilton lap on lap but he is working a bit harder to achieve it I would say.
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3 Jul 2020, 14:37 (Ref:3985319) | #27 | |
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Mercedes 1-2 backed up by a Tracing Point.
Leclerc and Albon seemed a bit off all day, really. |
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Aaaand, it is as we were.
Half a second gap around such a small lap is very significant gap, maybe equivalent to a second or more on many of the longer tracks. Perhaps it will close up tomorrow. Some people are calling the Racing Point the "Pink Mercedes" and others are calling the works car as the "Black Mercedes". |
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Great to see the cars. People out there, sorting their cars out.
The Mercs looking good at a track they struggled (relatively!) on recently. |
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3 Jul 2020, 16:58 (Ref:3985349) | #30 | |
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Red Bull have, as expected, lodged their protest of the DAS system.
Could be awkward scenes for management there, given their star asset Adrian Newey is growing disillusioned with the stifling of innovation in F1. Or perhaps not. |
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I thought that. I guess Red Bull only like Newey innovation.
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3 Jul 2020, 17:45 (Ref:3985364) | #32 | |
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They said they would do it, so there we are. Hope a sensible solution is reached. Anyway Merc have already agreed to drop it for 2021
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I think RB really just want clarity on it's legality for 2020. While it is explicitly outlawed for 2021, there is no opinion by the stewards one way or another as to 2020. I expect if it is ruled OK, RB will show up with a version very soon.
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It's more disruptive for Mercedes than it is Red Bull.
And I presume, the result is known after the race? |
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This is controlled by the driver and alters steering geometry. Active suspension controls ride height and suspension of each corner of the car automatically rather than through driver input (although IIRC they could turn it on or off). So even if you think it is the same, which it isn't, it is a new way to do something. Would you say ground effect was not innovative because it did the same thing as wings in giving you downforce? As an example and rhetorical question. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...hdZGT0ejB.html Active suspension is mentioned in this article about DAS. In the "Is it normal for one team to find something so revolutionary?" rather than it is the same. |
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The only thing I know is that if it designed by Red Bull it would be as safe as houses.
Why is it unsafe? Just sounds like it is? Seemed OK in testing. It's a debateable point, I suppose, as they are debating it, but it's not like the FIA didn't know anything about it. I think Merc would rightly feel miffed if they suffered this year because of it. |
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Austrian Grand Prix 2020: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 1 of who knows how many
If it like active suspension, Merc could dominate the season Williams 1992 style
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1) People can quibble over the legality. But frankly the fact is, this adjust steering angles. It is NOT anything remotely anything close to active suspension and is highly likely it does anything outside of what it is advertised to do. 2). Yes, it could be banned via common "catch all" rules that are relatively arbitrary. Such as "Safety" or "Movable Aero". Frankly I see this more likely to be deemed "Movable Aero" than anything else. I personally think it is otherwise legal. What gets up everyone's noses is that it is very creative in how it is legal and totally not something anyone expected when the rules were put together. With all of that being said, I would be fine if it was banned for 2020 given it is already excluded in 2021. I am also dubious of it's effectiveness. I think it brings "an" advantage, but is not a game changing solution. This is not going to win anyone a championship. Richard |
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I feel this. RB taking the fight to merc on as many fronts as they can.
Is it telling that it is not Ferrari attempting to disrupt Merc? Do challange like this and who makes the challange reflect the current order? |
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Another thing to consider on the timing. What if RBR has something like DAS ready to go. Either now or next weekend. Better to question the legality before it negatively impacts their own point haul.
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Or Ferrari have one nearly ready to go, whereas Red Bull haven’t bothered so they need to protest.
This is all reading too much into this. Toto says it is part of F1 to have these clarifications. At the moment that is all it is. One team has it, another doesn’t and is challenging. |
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I have heard but not seen a link yet that the system Merc are using has again been cleared ie protest has been dismissed. It is still illegal for next year. Edit: found a link saying it is cleared : https://www.sportskeeda.com/motorspo...d-bull-protest F1.com tweet: https://twitter.com/F1/status/127919...853059/photo/1 |
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Pérez could win races this year and he looks well-placed for a podium here.
The Racing Point was about 0.4s away from the Mercedes on long runs, slightly closer than Red Bull. |
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