Nissan LMP1 Discussion

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Doing better laptime even with fabricated specs gives you PR opportunity.

Umm...

And even if not, at the very least fix in the horrible PR department and silence the mouth of mr Cox (lately it's been quiet on that front so maybe positive sign?)

Yes, it HAS been quiet on that front. Nissan's not hyping the efforts they've been undertaking - they haven't even provided the lap times they've run(those keep coming through unofficial sources, which is why I keep saying "apparently" and "if" regarding them), only a "just the facts" update on what they're focusing on at the time an update was made.

Nissan has silenced the blind PR machine and put their efforts into developing the car. There is no benefit to fabricating performance for PR if they're not actively hyping the matter.

[carbsmith]

It should probably be mentioned that even if Nissan was very marginally quicker than an LMP2 over one lap (by a margin indistinguishable from the difference between drivers) their overall race pace was clearly worse.

The car was rushed but a large part of the reason it was rushed was because they tried to do everything differently. Every race car is a product of its limited development time, the whole game is doing the best job with the time and money you have (obviously or else some of the bandaid changes they made prior to Le Mans wouldn't have happened). Every technical director and every designer has to compromise to deal with that. Because right now with Nissan what are we looking at? They might get their 2015 car on to the pace of the back of the 2015 field? Where does that leave them when everyone else hasn't been using their time getting their 2015 car to work and has brand new 2016 cars much quicker?

They've dug themselves a huge hole that they really can't afford to dig themselves out of by 2016 with no guarantee their design direction will be relevant when the rules change for 2017.


That aside it should be interesting to see in the event the car dynamics actually working properly.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Umm...



Yes, it HAS been quiet on that front. Nissan's not hyping the efforts they've been undertaking - they haven't even provided the lap times they've run(those keep coming through unofficial sources, which is why I keep saying "apparently" and "if" regarding them), only a "just the facts" update on what they're focusing on at the time an update was made.

Nissan has silenced the blind PR machine and put their efforts into developing the car. There is no benefit to fabricating performance for PR if they're not actively hyping the matter.

DSC and Goodwin might not be official source, and he's immediately gonna deny all of this (I would too, of course), however they've had very pro-view on Nissan for quite a while due to the sponsoring deal and whatnot. So using them as tidybit information output source for us nerds to spread voice is in the realms of possibility.

Even if that above paragraph of mine is pure nonsense, it's no less absurd view on things as indicating "every doubter expected P2 laptimes and were proven so so very wrong"

[TF110]

It wasnt goodwin who first claimed Nissan went faster in their latest test. Before he commented on this thread about it (doing 1:55's at COTA), there were comments about it going faster than in its last test (which was 1:59's). Go back a few pages and you can see its not from a 'Nissan mouthpiece' at all. He just clarified the amount of time found. Nissan themselves said they made gains but not how many seconds they found.

[Deleted]

Alright thanks I take your word for it, I'm not actually particularly interested in the subject to start digging deeper.

[TF110]

The main point is theyre progressing. Thats all that matters now since they wont be back until next season.

[YorkshireLad]

Nissan Twitter says their testing at COTA again.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

An guess what? YOU WILL. Nissan isn't going to sink this much into development and not put it back on the track next year

That all remains to be seen, no one here knows the exact ins-and-outs going on within the team management and/or company decisions making units.

The fact that they're pouring extra resources into the project might make you think it's looking good for next year (and the recent tests seem to support that believe to a certain extend) but reality is, we just don't know. And that will stay that way until the new cars show up either at the start of the pre-season test or even at the first race event at Silverstone in April next year. I think we all learned (again) from the Peugeot drama things can easily change overnight! (even if those circumstances were completely different).

In the meantime: good luck with your Nissan promotion campaign!

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

In the meantime: good luck with your Nissan promotion campaign!

Okay, seriously, you can stop that crap right now. I'm getting more than slightly sick of people acting like only a shill for Nissan would believe anything less than disaster.

[Adam43]

This thread flicks from one extreme to the other. Look in the mirror people.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Yeah, cause when Audi or other factory cars raced without hybrid power they weren't dominant at all...

I actually think that gap has narrowed quote a bit from what it was in the early 2000's to where we are now. I mean.... Audi out-engineered EVERYONE and EVERYTHING when the second gen R8 arrived on the scene....

Laser alignments, different spec areo for transitional periods, bespoke tires, power and on, and on.... It was just such a drastic change.

It'd be like showing up in the 50's with the Hubble, and Russia could barely manage Sputnik...

[YorkshireLad]

Just seen some photos of max chilton with Adrian newey at the GT academy. Wonder if he's just been asked to do some judging or is he interested in the lmp1 project.

[Graham Goodwin]

The latter

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

The latter

Life outside of Red Bull?

[LC2guy]

Originally Posted by TF110

Life outside of Red Bull?

new life FOR red bull ???

[TF110]

Originally Posted by LC2guy

new life FOR red bull ???

Hmm... Nissan/Renault= current engine supplier. Nissan/Infinty= current title sponsor. Admittedly, thats a reach by me, but with RB talking of quitting F1 you have to wonder.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by TF110

Hmm... Nissan/Renault= current engine supplier. Nissan/Infinty= current title sponsor. Admittedly, thats a reach by me, but with RB talking of quitting F1 you have to wonder.

All they need is a new marketing venue. Perhaps this is it.

Can someone render up a RB Nismo P1 please??

[Acid09]

Originally Posted by TF110

Hmm... Nissan/Renault= current engine supplier. Nissan/Infinty= current title sponsor. Admittedly, thats a reach by me, but with RB talking of quitting F1 you have to wonder.

Aren't they possibly quitting F1 because their relationship with Renault has gone sour?

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Acid09

Aren't they possibly quitting F1 because their relationship with Renault has gone sour?

More like RB is being petulant about Renault, and Renault has been offended by it.. Point is, they are a drinks company... they can carry their millions where they choose.

[J Jay]

Red Bull threw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. There are questions to be asked about why their engine has seemingly stagnated while Mercedes/Ferrari have made big improvements but crying to Bernie/Jean/the reporters was a bad way to put the point across. Especially now that they are going back to Renault with their tails between their legs.

[pirenzo]

I think you're all getting a little ahead of yourselves

EDIT: Not that it isn't fun to think of the possibilities of course, but you could take this rumour in a dozen different directions.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by pirenzo

I think you're all getting a little ahead of yourselves

EDIT: Not that it isn't fun to think of the possibilities of course, but you could take this rumour in a dozen different directions.

A dozen, No way....

I think we can make it at least two. If Newey is involved in this(and may be) then the car is bound to make major inroads in performance.

[Deleted]

Newey isn't a god though, there are average to borderline weak chassis designs in his CV too that tend to get forgotten. In the latter years with "little independent team" RB he also had astronomically high budget allowances

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Newey isn't a god though, there are average to borderline weak chassis designs in his CV too that tend to get forgotten. In the latter years with "little independent team" RB he also had astronomically high budget allowances

OT: He has although (albeit in his early career) designed some fantastic cars on not a lot of budget, his first proper F1 design was the March 881, which remains the only non-turbo car to lead a racing lap during the whole 1988 F1 season.

[TF110]

If Newey is interested in the Nissan p1, thats only good news imo. Imagine him and bowlbly working together!