Alonso or Kimi for champ?

Hein · 12 Sep 2005, 13:18 (Ref:1405627)

I would love to know what others think of this matter.

To my opinion Kimi is the one that should be crowned champ, he as been by far the best (briljant) driver this year. Was it not for his constantly breaking car, he would have been right there (if not leading).

Alonso was great in the first couple of races, but was he briljant all year long? He has been very lucky the last couple of races. Merc shooting themselves in the foot has helped him a lot. He might be a future champ, but I think he should wait, Kimi did a better job this year.

I am not a fan of either of them (Schu's my man) but I can spot talent and both of them are great talents, but Kimi really does stand out.

Let me have it.....

**Craig** · 12 Sep 2005, 13:25 (Ref:1405629)

Would Fernando have driven differently if he hadn't been protecting a points advantage with the aim of tying up the championship? I suspect so...

Kicking-back · 12 Sep 2005, 13:30 (Ref:1405632)

The championship lead now is the same as it was way back at Imola - so Alonso has been driving in title mode since then, as Craig suggests.

He deserves the title.

If he has an unprecedented collapse and Kimi wins it, then the Finn will be a deserving winner.

Two greats and they'll be the big names of the sport for years to come.

Hein · 12 Sep 2005, 13:31 (Ref:1405634)

Maybe in the last 3 or so races yes, but the earlier races he was on it. Don't think it is in his nature to relax in a race, he always goes for it (like a certain champ I know).

Hein · 12 Sep 2005, 13:33 (Ref:1405635)

Two greats and they'll be the big names of the sport for years to come.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that...

Glen · 12 Sep 2005, 13:36 (Ref:1405638)

Alonso's ability to stay calm and focussed and relentlessly pop up on the podium is a quality of a true champion - every bit as much as Kimi's astonishing speed. No matter what happens in the future (Fernando will not be beaten to the crown this year) Kimi will need to display the same level-headedness to get the title - I don't doubt that he will be able to when the time comes.

Plus, it it a team sport - Renault have done a more solid job and deserve the results.

runshaw · 12 Sep 2005, 13:39 (Ref:1405640)

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Originally Posted by Hein

Alonso was great in the first couple of races, but was he briljant all year long?

Yes he has been brilliant all year long. I don't know how you think he was just great in the first 2 races.

Hein · 12 Sep 2005, 13:41 (Ref:1405646)

Plus, it it a team sport - Renault have done a more solid job and deserve the results.[/QUOTE]

Renault deserve the constructors yes, they did a better job. But Kimi was the better driver this year.

Glen · 12 Sep 2005, 13:43 (Ref:1405650)

I can't see how that follows - Kimi's extra speed is mostly due to the excellent car, which the team designs and builds!

Kicking-back · 12 Sep 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1405651)

Fisichella seems to be doing his best to give McLaren the constructors title!

runshaw · 12 Sep 2005, 13:48 (Ref:1405654)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Fisichella seems to be doing his best to give McLaren the constructors title!

And Montoya is doing his best to make sure Alonso's lead is out of reach for Kimi!

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 13:59 (Ref:1405663)

Actually, Hein (although I do prefer Kimi) you can't really say "he deserves it but he does not have a good car". I mean, there are many great drivers out there, and MS and Button would have been good enough to fight for the title if they had better cars. I agree that Kimi was more impressive this year, but that was probably only because he had to. If Alonso had to, he'd probably do the same. Anyway, I think any of the two would be a worthy champion

Gerben24 · 12 Sep 2005, 14:08 (Ref:1405671)

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Originally Posted by Glen

Alonso's ability to stay calm and focussed and relentlessly pop up on the podium is a quality of a true champion - every bit as much as Kimi's astonishing speed. No matter what happens in the future (Fernando will not be beaten to the crown this year) Kimi will need to display the same level-headedness to get the title.

What would happen if Raikkonen was sitting in Alonso's situation and Alonso in Raikkonens? Raikkonen is just so fast, but he makes mistakes as well. Would he be able to just "sit back" as Alonso is doing at the moment, bringing home the car, to just get the points for the championship? I don't think he can do it. He just always has to take risks (which make brilliant motorsport).

What about Alonso? He is fast as well and he can be fast throughout the race, but I have never see him do a few blistering laps, ie. for jumping somebody during the pitstops (like MS and KR can do).

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 14:10 (Ref:1405674)

I think they'd both be probably as good if things were the other way round. They both seem to be top class drivers. Raikkonen has not made any real mistakes this year except for when he had to push too hard, so I guess he could sit back like alonso does. Alonso could probably be faster too, but that remains to be seen

Gerben24 · 12 Sep 2005, 14:16 (Ref:1405679)

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Originally Posted by Menelaos

Alonso could probably be faster too, but that remains to be seen

I just remembered, we did see Alonso try to do some quick laps, in Canada, where he crashed into the wall...

He is a worthy champ though (just in case people think I'm trying to make a bashing thread out of this one, which I'm not).

Kicking-back · 12 Sep 2005, 14:23 (Ref:1405684)

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Originally Posted by Gerben24

Would he be able to just "sit back" as Alonso is doing at the moment, bringing home the car, to just get the points for the championship? I don't think he can do it. He just always has to take risks (which make brilliant motorsport).

Kimi showed in 2003 he can play the percentage game very effectively.

**garcon** · 12 Sep 2005, 14:25 (Ref:1405688)

At this point you'd have to be a fool to say Kimi's gonna win it.

However.

Kimi's gonna win it.

I honestly can't split them, except I just happen to like Kimi more (I'll like him even more when he joins Ferrari...

). Whichever of them does take the title will fully deserve it, and whichever doesn't will be thinking if only...

Here's to a new era of epic battles between two superb drivers - if it's as good as Senna v Prost we're in for a treat. Mind you, I'm expecting Michael to bounce back one more time to spoil the party next year...

Glen · 12 Sep 2005, 14:33 (Ref:1405697)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Kimi showed in 2003 he can play the percentage game very effectively.

Mate! It isn't as if his 2003 car gave him any choice! He drove to lots of good points positions because that is the maximum score he could make with that car - he wasn't playing the level-headed "percentages" game.

As I said before, I don't doubt he could do it, but hence far he has only been required to go balls-out (infamous night club debacle pun intended).

Kicking-back · 12 Sep 2005, 14:53 (Ref:1405710)

Absolutely.

I was merely responding to the poster who said he couldn't do it!

Kirk · 12 Sep 2005, 14:58 (Ref:1405716)

I can't blame Alonso for being ultra-conservative at this point considering his lead in points and with Fisi crashing hard in what appeared to be a difficult car to drive. But I can't help but feel a tad disappointed that he didn't push harder at Spa. I'm not sure that the Renault was up to the task or if there was potential there for a fierce battle between he and the 2 McLarens. Likely only Alonso himself knows if he could have competed for the win.

Gerben24 · 12 Sep 2005, 15:01 (Ref:1405717)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Kimi showed in 2003 he can play the percentage game very effectively.

In what race was that then?

Glen · 12 Sep 2005, 15:07 (Ref:1405721)

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Originally Posted by Kirk

...But I can't help but feel a tad disappointed that he didn't push harder at Spa.

The sooner he wraps up the title, the sooner we'll see it. If he snags a podium next race we'll then have two proper battles to round off a fabulous season, plus the chase for the WCC to keep us interested.

Raven · 12 Sep 2005, 16:40 (Ref:1405815)

Alonso is not taking un-necessary risks and is giving other cars plenty of respect whenever they get close to him, but he is still pushing as hard as the team are allowing him to push the car. See Montreal & Hungary - pushing over the limit - he's not keeping much, if anything, in his pocket in terms of out and out speed.

The Renault is simply not as fast as the McLaren.

I'm sure there'll be a slight feeling of irritation in Alonso's mind if he can win the championship over Kimi without having beaten him on the track in a convincing manor since Bahrain. However that's more to do with the teams performance than the drivers.

Menelaos · 12 Sep 2005, 16:45 (Ref:1405818)

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Originally Posted by Glen

Mate! It isn't as if his 2003 car gave him any choice!

krt917 · 12 Sep 2005, 17:15 (Ref:1405850)

Both would be worthy champions.

For me, Kimi is perhaps the outright faster of the two, whilst I think Alonso is probably (at this stage in their careers) the more complete driver. This year we have seen Alonso dominate, come through the field, withstand huge pressure (Imola in particualr and the pressure of leading the championship in general), and chase the McLarens hard when he has had the opportunity.

Kimi has had some icncredible bad luck, and has been very fast, but he has been in the situation where he has nothing to lose. He has to risk everything to have a chance of catching up, where as the worst thing Alonso could do is to chuck it off trying to fight the McLarens, which are much quicker at the moment (and have been for some time).

For those reasons, I want Alonso to win the title, but I'm also a believer in the title going to the driver who wins the most races, and that is looking increasingly unlikely!

So, I end where I started, either would be a worthy World Champion!

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