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Old 9 Dec 2013, 18:20 (Ref:3342018)   #1
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Future Rule Changes

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...oh, double points for final race of the season.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 18:37 (Ref:3342023)   #2
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A working group will be established to finalise the regulations governing the cost-cap regulations.This group, which will include representatives of the FIA and of the commercial rights holder, as well as F1 team members, will be tasked to finalise these regulations by the end of June 2014.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111798

I would love to be a fly on the wall at these meetings and going on past form I expect this will run and run.........
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 18:44 (Ref:3342027)   #3
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May be nostalgia but I'm really hoping we see the Ferrari teams take #27 and #28.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 18:48 (Ref:3342028)   #4
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Totally artificial.

You forgot the potential mandatory 2-stops for next season.

Add that to DRS and what do you have? A series where what isn't the best car being piloted by what isn't the best driver get an ever-increasing chance to take the title.

F1 is attempting to recapture casual sports fans, but is doing so at the expense of hardcore fans. I was a casual F1 fan until 2010, when I suddenly became hooked on motorsports, but I think the whole artificial nature of the sport now would've made it look like a joke to me in 2006.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 19:02 (Ref:3342030)   #5
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...oh, double points for final race of the season.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 19:13 (Ref:3342034)   #6
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double points for final race of the season.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 19:33 (Ref:3342039)   #7
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double points for the finale is an odd rule change and im not sure where it came from or if there is a sporting logic behind it. great for the promoter of the race who gets to host the 'super point' event though.

will wait and see what amount they settle on for a cost cap and see what mechanism they will create to enforce it.

i like the idea of driver numbers over the car number as i have always liked the more recent trend of referring to the chassis by year and/or model number.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 19:46 (Ref:3342047)   #8
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Lets hope they come up with a senceable budget cap. They probably need to set it high to start with and bring down to about £ 60-80million. They should have a seperate cap for engine manufacture with an engine cost included in a team budget.

The interesting bit is how the big teams will take their budgets down.

A proper budget cap will get rid of the need for testing restrictions and a host of other cost restriction stuff. If we have more than 1 tyre supplier then they should also have budget restriction.

I Hope the FIA have said if the teams cannot agree they will impose a budget cap.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 20:05 (Ref:3342054)   #9
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this is the moment they're going to talk about as the moment that f1 jumped the shark, isn't it?

the budget cap is too late, i believe.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 20:05 (Ref:3342055)   #10
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...oh, double points for final race of the season.
Permanent numbers is Ace.

Double points for season finale will at least ensure that more drivers would be in with a chance of winning WDC. Give it a go.

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Some good changes, spoiled entirely by one solitary idea.

KILL ME NOW.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 20:16 (Ref:3342059)   #12
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Budget cap: a stable door moment if ever there was one.

I predict that at least two, possibly three and an outside chance of four current teams have serious financial trouble before 2015. I don't want them to but we're already looking at Marussia, Sauber & Lotus really having to stretch to make ends meet.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 20:33 (Ref:3342071)   #13
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I really really really hate this double points at the finale decision. It's just arrived out of nowhere, I don't recall anyone ever mentioning it before. Yes there were some unfunny jokes by people who don't understand sport or arithmetic when Hamilton won his title by finishing 5th, beating Massa, who won. But anyone who thinks that the championship should just go to the winner of the last race is insane. Ok, this suggestion isn't quite as bad, but it's a move in that direction.

All for the budget cap though. It should have been made some time ago. Actually, it was made some time ago, everyone just ignored it! Although that had a load of caveats, like prize money didn't count (Ferrari get the most wherever they finish don't they?) and drivers' pay and marketing didn't count.

I don't think that the mandatory pit stops are necessarily a bad idea, so long as the sport is flexible enough to drop them again if they don't work.
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The double points is heading towards a Chase sort of system, and that's awful. It's a pathetic idea and ruins the entire rule changes.

I was excited about 2014, as some of the smaller teams may get a chance to beat the big boys for a little while, but if the best car/driver(/engine) combo doesn't win, what is the point?
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Imagine if you lead all season, then your engine blows in Abu Dhabi and someone sails past you in the standings because of the double points.

Sport at its finest.

Such a shame, because I am in love with the permanent numbers.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 21:00 (Ref:3342081)   #16
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Cost cap is probably necessary.
Permanent numbers aren't, but I don't really mind either. Not really the first thing that comes to mind as needing fixing though.
Double points is a good contender for being the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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Cue controversy: I like all these changes. Yes the final round double points doesn't sit well with many, but it's not artificially affecting handing one person an advantage and preventing the drivers racing. In fact, it may encourage drivers to push more at the final.
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Imagine if you lead all season, then your engine blows in Abu Dhabi and someone sails past you in the standings because of the double points.
agreed. if they want the last race to be more relevant then go back to an older point system where there was less of a gap between a 1st and 2nd place finish.

giving someone 50 points for a winning the last race of the year just sounds random.
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and that's me done with F1 now.

The double points for the last round or "bonus round" has just finished for me, no longer about racing, it's not so obviously just a moving target to get ratings, probably next that for every consecutive race you win, you lose a set of tyres, or something stupid.

oh and numbers, fixed numbers....unless you're the champion...and want the number.

It's just like the kid at school making the rules up to get his best team and favourite number shirt.

If this junk goes into next year, I won't watch a bit of it.

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a.) teams build the fastest card possible and be rewarded with that
b.) drivers race as hard as possible to win as many races as possible but have a long term goal to win a championship to be counted as "the best"
c.) accidents to happen and be treated as an accident not ruin races to help figures.
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Old 9 Dec 2013, 21:14 (Ref:3342088)   #20
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Double points race is ridiculous, but will also have the knock on effect of ensuring teams develop their cars right until the end of the season due to the extra points on offer, surely meaning more money being spent.

I'm happy enough with the number changes, although Sebastian Vettel has enough trouble sticking with one helmet design throughout a race weekend, how is he going to be able select a number for a season/career when he isn't given no.1?!

Regarding the Bahrain test, does anyone know if the teams may consider, or are able to use the V6 engines? Not sure if any are ready for track use yet (apart from the Ferrari apparently) but I'd bet they'd jump at the chance to try them if they could. The Autosport story mentions 2013 cars, but no mention of engines, unless this also means 2013 engines. Given the extra torque the tyres are going to have to withstand next year, surely it would make sense to allow the new engines?
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Hooray! Points for everyone!

I wasn't a fan of the original decision to let the winner receive 25 points. I fondly remember Martin Brundle saying how he struggled in many races to finish sixth for one point, whereas these days they give points out like smarties.

I like the sound of the other items though. A cost cap is certainly necessary, but will it actually get anywhere this time? Permanent numbers is something I've missed for a long time too.
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People staffing the non-Formula 1 departments of Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren and maybe even Renault should expect a lot more work from 2015 onwards.
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And I'd imagine they'll be taking on a lot of ex formula 1 staff.
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What about Bernie"s sprinkler system idea, along with the dbl points....
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the double points thing though...

doesn't this bode quite well for fans? i know it's been a special case this year with the whole 2014 needing a whole new car thing and most teams bailing out of full scale development of their '13 cars early. but isn't it going to mean that they're going to have to carry on developing and refining the car at full pelt or risk losing a serious bucketload of points at the end of the year? how will that in turn affect their 2015 cars?

are the teams going to take a different approach to the whole season, especially if it's looking tight on engine and gearboxes towards the end of the year?

don't get me wrong i hate it but none of us really watch f1 for the racing any more, do we? we watch it for the storyline and the drama... at least this is throwing a spanner in the works a bit.
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