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Hang on though - the criticisms above about hyping this issue would be more valid if the fuel tank changes hadn't been introduced after the season had started.
If GA want to redefine one or more of their classes that's fine - Just do it at the end of the previous season before teams start spending the money. |
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I'm deserving a warning that I'll give to myself for opening this thread... oh my !
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No, GrandAm has every right to implement such performance adjusting measures. This is fine-tuning the regulations for the good of everybody involved what clearly is the formula of the future. We Europeans lack the insight into American racing to realise this.
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...except they have the January tests to determine where they were in performance, not to mention historical data on GT performance. Sure, they changed the bus stop, but otherwise the GT lap times were a known quantity.
If they were expecting to get faster times than at the test days last year, they gambled wrong. Qualifying for the track didn't get better until the finale, and only by 0.3 seconds. I can see why they didn't want to make the changes immediately - after all, they had kneecapped every other existing category, and were probably worried about alienating the last class that could accept competitors from the year before without modifications. When it became apparent that GT itself was emptying, GA found it necessary to add GS1 to the field - and needed to ensure that those competitors would stick around. The penalties on GT weren't so much about ensuring the DPs would win (after all, did a GT car win another race all year?), so much as trying to bring them down to GS1 (now SGS) level of performance. |
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" so much as trying to bring them down to GS1 (now SGS) level of performance. "
problem defined- why spend money on a well prepared built and design factory GT car when you get it "kneed capped" to run as a SGS car? that's just rude |
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Why indeed. That's the explicit strategy of Grand Am.
Even their 2x reigning GT champion team is abandoning GT next year for SGS. They can run a Challenge Ferrari for a lot less than their GT, and go for roughly the same position on the lap charts. No reduction in exposure, but reduction in cost. It's the fundamental difference in ROI approach between the two series - one is aimed at increasing returns, the other at reducing investment requirements. |
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It really does make an obscene amount of sense if you think about it.
You can pick up a DP for roughly the price of an RSR or GTC...kinda sick. As for the fuel mileage, the SGS/GSI cars werent that bad on fuel because they are(were) stock cars. It was explained to me before as were most "GT" porsches start life as GT3 race prepped factory cars, the GS cars start life as street cars and are race prepped. Much cheaper, much less prep. The only thing that allowed the Porsche to win the 24 was the fact that GA pushed the DPs into the race without any real testing or development. If the car were to run a full 24 hours, it is still 2 or so seconds a lap quicker...which isnt much mind you, but quite a bit over 24hrs. As for the Mustang, it was going up for sale and I need to write my friend again as they have been awful quiet lately... |
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Oh yeah, Fab, dont feel bad, I have started posts like that too and afterwards said...man that was stupid, if this was worded a tad different....
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That changed the basis of competition for existing GA teams as well as 'visitors'. That's quite apart from the suspicion that it may have had something to do with the potential embarassment of a 'lower' class car competing for race wins. On the "DP costs roughly the same as an RSR" front there is a simple answer. You can race an RSR more or less anywhere in almost any National or International series except GA (ie you have the choice of varying your season and/or contesting one-off races in addition to your core season in another championship) You can't do that with a DP - Therefore your options and your investment, are less flexible - Your potential customer base for a second hand car is narrower too, no small thing as far as many sportscar teams are concerned. ROI begins to look a little different when all of this is taken into account. I have no problem with GA or anyone else doing it their own way but lets not make too many excuses for a bad policy decision that had to be undone after the season had started. There is no level on which this was fair for their existing GT class teams. The fact that they did it anyway speaks volumes for the prevailing attitude. |
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Hey Fab, if you do plan to attend the Daytona 24 let me know, I would love to meet you. Daytona is an experience all its own, and any sort of race cars running for twenty four hours is still a great thing!!
Also, wine recomendations are always sought! What would go well with the canned ravioli heated over the camp stove? |
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