FIA WTCR 2020 News & Rumours

[TR4racer]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

TCR cars are meant to be cheap to run. It's the teams that run them that jack the costs up, when they want to run at the front of the field. Those guys are throwing dampers and short-life engines at them every event, multiple gearboxes throughout the weekend, new pads and rotors for every session...

Sorry but where does that come from. A engine at every event means you go to the back of the grid for the race after it has been changed; nobody does that unless you have evidence to the contrary. Multiple gearboxes per weekend...no, just not true. New pads and rotors per session, just no, never.

[JD Media]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

https://it.motorsport.com/wtcr/news/...ciali/4679514/

Reading the interview of Adamo the only tcr driver confirmed is Luca Engstler but it's not clear if he will race in WTCR (Hyundai didn't confirm yet if they will be in WTCR 2020) or again in some other TCR championship.

If he should enter in wtcr team (imho) I think the more likely to be replaced would be Tarquini.

Tarquini (and Hyundai) are at the tyre test in Spain, just like Audi.

[Spanner monkey]

As mentioned engines and gearbox changes will result in penalties for changing.
Dampers in top teams will probably be rebuilt after each weekend so its not dampers your paying for it labour and a few seals/oil/gas your paying for. Springs on the other hand maybe changed so it may be easier and quicker to change to your spare set of dampers with different springs on them.
1-2 rounds for brakes 😂😂😂
Only if the driver isn't using them. In Marrakech its very hard on brakes top teams will use at least 3 sets of discs and pads on the front. Most teams in BTCC will use 2/3 sets of fronts over a whole weekend but when your in search of 10th's of a second this is what it takes as cars are so closely matched these days.

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Only a handful of full time Supercars drivers are directly employed by the team these days.

The rest take a minimal salary from a cut of the sponsorship they bring to secure the drive.

TCR cars are meant to be cheap to run. It's the teams that run them that jack the costs up, when they want to run at the front of the field. Those guys are throwing dampers and short-life engines at them every event, multiple gearboxes throughout the weekend, new pads and rotors for every session...

These cars were intended to do a season on one gearbox and set of dampers, two seasons on an engine, and pads and rotors every 1-2 meetings.

[Umai Naa]

They can change engines prior to the meeting without penalty, but not during the meeting.

[MissClarrpz]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

They can change engines prior to the meeting without penalty, but not during the meeting.

From WTCR Sporting Regs

No car may use more than one engine during the season. The engine is associated with the driver's race number. It will follow the driver if he changes cars, unless the new car is of a different model or competitor. If a driver is absent from one or more Competitions, his engine will be linked to the FIA Technical Passport number of the racing car.

Each engine must be sealed ... before being used by the competitor for the first time ... so as to prevent the dismantling of the cylinder head and oil sump. The breaking of any seal will be considered as a change of engine.

Any change of engine automatically results in the driver starting from the back of the grid in the next race in which he takes part, except in a case of force majeure

TCR Europe Sporting Regs are identical so won't repeat

Number of Turbos for season is 5 for WTCR and 3 for TCR Europe and follow same rules of sealing and penalties once more are taken.

Honda guy on how they change the engine from the road car

We don't do anything on the engine. This is stock engine coming from the factory and then you put it in and do some ECU tuning on it and this is what you're running with

[Alessio]

1 engine, 1 gearbox, both stock and sealed from the start of the season. Brakes, suspension, Labour for repairs and race support from the team are amongst the main expenses from a race weekend. Completely separate championship, but the ‘original’ FIA F3 is a good example of ‘paying for better results’; if you could afford Prema, that would be the only choice if you were aiming for the championship due to the sheer size of the operation and level of support..or alternatively Engstler in TCR Asia...

[Mark0994]

Main problem in increased costs are so called "2nd gen cars" like FK8 Civic, i30 N and Lynk.
Who knows how much money they spent in their developing.
And yet they are crying every time BoP is bad for them.
How did i never heard Top Run, STARD, Romeo Ferraris and other privateers crying about BoP?
They are small, so their opinion is irrelevant?
TCR cars are originally built to be based on cheap Cup Racer Seat, but they jumped from 100k to 130k price cap, and as TR4Racer said they are selling some of them at loss.
Stian Paulsen is perfect example of how these increased costs hit the drivers.
He raced in SEAT Eurocup for few season, always competing on equal with top guys like Comini, Azcona, Rosell, Briche.
And then when people switched to TCR spec cars, he didn't have enough money to complete season in TCR Europe.
Europcup raced on almost same tracks as TCR Europe, so costs of traveling should be similar.

Back to "gen 2 cars". I helped one guy who bought few TCR cars to work on maintenance. You guys wouldn't believe how different are Cupra and Audi from Hyundai in term of what's under the body.
No wonder that some drivers that raced both Hyundai and other cars are saying that Hyundai with 97.5% power is more powerful then other cars at 100%.

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

Main problem in increased costs are so called "2nd gen cars" like FK8 Civic, i30 N and Lynk.
Who knows how much money they spent in their developing.
And yet they are crying every time BoP is bad for them.
How did i never heard Top Run, STARD, Romeo Ferraris and other privateers crying about BoP?

The answer to your question lies in the first part of your reply. Honda, Hyundai and Lynk put the most money into development but are held back by BOP. They’d be well off into the distance compared to the ‘independent’ projects or the Gen1 TCR cars without it.

[Csaba]

Originally Posted by JD Media

Tarquini (and Hyundai) are at the tyre test in Spain, just like Audi.

Well, we can be sure that Michelisz stays, as he declared (then realised that it was not announced yet and laughed a bit- maybe it was intentional) in a Hungarian language podcast, held by VLN class champion Walter Csaba and former two time European rally champion Bessenyey Zoltán. And from his sentences it seemed like Tarquini is staying alongside him, as reported by you. Catsburg said that he wants to stay, but if I have to guess, Farfus will leave.

[TR4racer]

Originally Posted by Csaba

Catsburg said that he wants to stay, but if I have to guess, Farfus will leave.

I understand that both Catsburg and Farfus are in the 2nd year of 2 year contracts so both will be on the grid. Engstler will enter with his team as a customer team with Liqui Moly sponsorship

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by Alessio

The answer to your question lies in the first part of your reply. Honda, Hyundai and Lynk put the most money into development but are held back by BOP. They’d be well off into the distance compared to the ‘independent’ projects or the Gen1 TCR cars without it.

But they agreed with BoP by entering TCR.
Old Emil Frey Jaguar in GT3 was also made by independent team, but car could race on equal with every other GT3 car, because BoP was good.

[Japanese Samurai]

TCR version? of Toyota C-HR was captured at Fuji.
https://twitter.com/MVfpVFiTRFEXvO3/...55012440186880

[Japanese Samurai]

https://youtu.be/fMgvyFsS4z0

[helmat]

Best TCR news in a long time, Morocco out Salzburgring is back
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...g-replacement/

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[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by helmat

Best TCR news in a long time, Morocco out Salzburgring is back
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...g-replacement/

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2 good news in one! No marrakech no bennani! and yet ribeiro has been able to choose another boring circuit where it's impossible to overtake!

I wonder how he succeed to choose always the most sh**ty circuits in the world...

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

2 good news in one! No marrakech no bennani! and yet ribeiro has been able to choose another boring circuit where it's impossible to overtake!

I wonder how he succeed to choose always the most sh**ty circuits in the world...

It’s a fun track for the drivers, I’d be happy to drive round there

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

2 good news in one! No marrakech no bennani! and yet ribeiro has been able to choose another boring circuit where it's impossible to overtake!

I wonder how he succeed to choose always the most sh**ty circuits in the world...

Agreed! Marrakech was awful, especially as a season opener, and Bennani seemed to be involved in incident after incident.

Salzburgring is OK but again another layout that doesn't lend itself to too much overtaking.

[S griffin]

Yeah Marrakech last season had no overtaking due to the configuration of the track and the officials punishing any minor contact. Trust the Beeb to only broadcast a dull race like that

[Juntos]

Awful news for Eurosport Events. Morocco had a bag full of cash to pay for the race. I'm not sure the Austrians are willing to pay the same. Money often costs too much.

[Purist]

I quite enjoyed Salzburgring during its last stint in the WTCC. The main thing I'd do is give an option so they can skip the first chicane on the opening lap to avoid having a mess right off the bat.

The first Marrakech iteration was a bit like Monza, with a few other odd bits thrown in. It wasn't the greatest place, but not bad. In its current form Morocco is pretty painful in terms of the racing. And really, I don't find it to have any standout features as a circuit anymore.

[Rubio]

Recent article on WTCR site also suggests that we should expect just 5 types of TCR cars this year (actually what was expected)
https://www.fiawtcr.com/goodyear-tyr...all-race-long/

All these 5 TCR cars tested new Goodyear tyres

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Rubio

Recent article on WTCR site also suggests that we should expect just 5 types of TCR cars this year (actually what was expected)
https://www.fiawtcr.com/goodyear-tyr...all-race-long/

All these 5 TCR cars tested new Goodyear tyres

So just Honda, Hyundai, Cupra, L&C, and Audi? Given the diversity of TCR that's quite disappointing for the 'world' championship.

[Alessio]

Quality over quantity?

[GusGasfuss]

Originally Posted by Alessio

Quality over quantity?

I would say, that Alfa and also Peugeot (as well as the VWs) are good enough to deserve a place in WTCR.

Maybe with help from BoP, or with financial help from Eurosport to keep costs down for "real" private entries of this (already proven) gear.


In general, TCR is running on high heels already, as these cars are more or less prototypes in a way.


They should have regulations, like buying a street car, and then getting a TCR-Kit from the factory to build the race car out of it.
Would end such things like L&C, who are not selling the base/race car. And maybe it is easier to control hidden developments...

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by GusGasfuss

I would say, that Alfa and also Peugeot (as well as the VWs) are good enough to deserve a place in WTCR.

Maybe with help from BoP, or with financial help from Eurosport to keep costs down for "real" private entries of this (already proven) gear.


In general, TCR is running on high heels already, as these cars are more or less prototypes in a way.


They should have regulations, like buying a street car, and then getting a TCR-Kit from the factory to build the race car out of it.
Would end such things like L&C, who are not selling the base/race car. And maybe it is easier to control hidden developments...

Agree.
Why there can't be one series that is reasonable priced and doesn't use "fake" cars?
They are either kinda like prototypes as you said
Or they are silhouettes or something in between like Supercars, BTCC, DTM or STC2000.
Buy a car, tune engine, tune suspensions, install cage. What's wrong with that?