What do you think about Rubens Barrichello?

Usa Pilot · 29 Jun 2002, 02:08 (Ref:324041)

Rubens Barrichello is the second best driver of Formula 1. He is very fast.

Valve Bounce · 29 Jun 2002, 02:14 (Ref:324047)

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freud · 29 Jun 2002, 02:16 (Ref:324048)

Imho Rubens Barrichello is the top driver in the 2nd tier category of f1 drivers which include Ralf, Frentzen etc. He has improved tremendously in this season but what is also making him look good is the fact that Schumacher is taking it easy because he knows he has won the season. I have a lot of respect for Rubens.. what was done to him at Austria was totally unfair and shouldnt have been done.

freud · 29 Jun 2002, 02:17 (Ref:324050)

BUT.. Rubens is NOT the second best driver of f1

Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 02:20 (Ref:324052)

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Originally posted by freud
BUT.. Rubens is NOT the second best driver of f1

I agree

Usa Pilot · 29 Jun 2002, 02:21 (Ref:324053)

In your opinion, who is the second best driver of Formula 1?

freud · 29 Jun 2002, 02:25 (Ref:324056)

Either -Schumacher, M -or -Montoya, J P- ... can only be proven if they fight it out as teammates without any team orders.

Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 02:25 (Ref:324057)

David Coulthard

Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 02:27 (Ref:324058)

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Originally posted by freud
Either -Schumacher, M -or -Montoya, J P- ... can only be proven if they fight it out as teammates without any team orders.

He asked who's the second best sigmund. Clearly the best is Michael....Montoya will heve to drive for another 2 or 3 years to be the best. Right now he's fast but hard headed and only thinks of himself. Even if he gets to drive the F2002, he won't get to be the best.

Usa Pilot · 29 Jun 2002, 02:28 (Ref:324059)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
David Coulthard

David Coultard is pathetic..

freud · 29 Jun 2002, 02:32 (Ref:324060)

Juke, you are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine.

Michael and Juan battle is heavily tilted in favor of Michael because he is driving a very dominant car. We have discussed it all before...

Valve Bounce · 29 Jun 2002, 02:34 (Ref:324061)

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Originally posted by Usa Pilot
In your opinion, who is the second best driver of Formula 1?

Eddie Irvine, of course

Silly question.

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Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 02:42 (Ref:324062)

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Originally posted by Usa Pilot

David Coultard is pathetic..

You have your reasons and i have mine too to think otherwise.

anyway welcome to the forum Ruben's fan

Usa Pilot · 29 Jun 2002, 02:45 (Ref:324064)

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Originally posted by Jukebox

You have your reasons and i have mine too to think otherwise.

anyway welcome to the forum Ruben's fan

I belong the forum Senna's fan

Inigo Montoya · 29 Jun 2002, 05:00 (Ref:324070)

Barelyfellow... Great ability, wasted by signing contracts that reduce him to dog status... a disgrace...

f1manoz · 29 Jun 2002, 05:03 (Ref:324071)

Barrichello would have been better off not signing for Ferrari as he certainly has the talent capable of beating most other drivers on the grid if given the oppurtunity. But he will never get that at Ferrari unless Schu retires and Barrichello stays at Ferrari.

And don't give me 'but he's in the best car' stuff either. He may be in the best car, but what's the point if he's not allowed to challenge consistently for race wins, and even the championship. Frankly, he's got the best car but the worst deal.

As for the second best driver, it would be a toss-up between the two Williams drivers and David Coulthard.

Jukebox · 29 Jun 2002, 05:11 (Ref:324073)

f1manoz..i thought you would say Heidfeld

but then i do agree that it's either the three of them.

Rubens is just a whiny good for nothin

ttc · 29 Jun 2002, 05:18 (Ref:324077)

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Originally posted by f1manoz
Barrichello would have been better off not signing for Ferrari as he certainly has the talent capable of beating most other drivers on the grid if given the oppurtunity. But he will never get that at Ferrari unless Schu retires and Barrichello stays at Ferrari.

And don't give me 'but he's in the best car' stuff either. He may be in the best car, but what's the point if he's not allowed to challenge consistently for race wins, and even the championship. Frankly, he's got the best car but the worst deal.

As for the second best driver, it would be a toss-up between the two Williams drivers and David Coulthard.

Given that he's in the F2002, a car that many agree that it is the dominant car in 2002, going by your logic, we should already be seeing a Ferrari 1-2 every SINGLE race. If he can't secure at least 2nd position in the BEST car this year, you expect him to be competitive in other team?! Wanna buy a bridge?

ttc · 29 Jun 2002, 05:20 (Ref:324079)

f1manoz, the flaw I'm pointing out in your argument is, EVEN you acknowledge that he's in the BEST car. By your reasoning, the ONLY person he's NOT allowed to challenge is Michael. So in other words, he should be beating EVERY other guys out there, ROUTINELY, not just once or twice.

Gt_R · 29 Jun 2002, 05:22 (Ref:324080)

The point is, besides Ferrari's second seat, there is NO other competitive seats available for him. If you are out to win, you have to take the best option available, and you have to admit, the Ferrari seat is the best there is now!

As for the 2nd best, i would put JPM.
Its not based on the results this year, but an independent analyst of their individual qualities put together.

Both had the pace, but in other areas, Michael is as good, if not better than JPM. Which makes Michael edge out... people who don't understand fails to recognise the absolute feel Michael has for his car, and the strategic aspect and ability to drive with his brains as much as with his talent. Coupled to experience..Michael is still the best despite the age setting in... Honest!

Gt_R · 29 Jun 2002, 05:25 (Ref:324081)

But frankly, it doesnt really matter where Rubens rank. He is impressive and i am impressed. I like watching him and i think he is a good driver in his own rights!

Ranking doesn't matter if we had such a quality bunch of top runners!

ttc · 29 Jun 2002, 05:33 (Ref:324086)

And by no means am I putting down Ruben, but given the car that he has, he should be consistently be no more than 1 place below (assuming that he can't challenge his team mate due to team orders) his team mate.

Mr V · 29 Jun 2002, 11:11 (Ref:324174)

How good is Rubens?........ask Ferrari, he's good enough to be taken on as TGF's team-mate, but only because Ferrari know that Rubens won't be beating him race in race out, maybe thats why Ferrari will never sign someone like JPM or Fisi all the tme TGF's there.

(and no, i'm not saying that JPM or Fisi would beat TGF every race, just that they'd give TGF more of a run than Rubens, and Ferrari know it!)

Don K · 29 Jun 2002, 11:29 (Ref:324178)

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Originally posted by ttc
And by no means am I putting down Ruben, but given the car that he has, he should be consistently be no more than 1 place below (assuming that he can't challenge his team mate due to team orders) his team mate.

Well, that is what he has done this season ...

He lost a lot of points by retiring from 1st, 2nd and 1st position during the first 3 races of this season.
If he would have ended those races in 1st, 2nd and 1st place, he would have won in Austria (resulting in a 38 - 38 position for the WDC).

I think his pace is not his problem.
If he wants to improve, he has got to finish more races.
And then he definitely will be the second best driver in Formula 1 (until Ralf, Montoya and Raikkonen reach the same consistency).

paulzinho · 29 Jun 2002, 11:35 (Ref:324180)

Those saying he should be securing second every race, IMO he would've done so on many more occasions had his car not given up on him.

Leading (albeit briefly) in Australia
Second in Malaysia
Leading in Brasil
Second (on grid) in Spain

OK so he had a dud in Monaco but you can't have them all.

IMO he's probably the 3rd best at the moment, he's shown ability to overtake, something which others seem to lack (no names!). Michael is the best although a tarnished best at that, JPM is second best and should soon be in a position to challenge Michale for that crown.

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