Seeeking detail pics of Gp2 Capri RS2600 and RS3100.

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by brown dog

Hi Alex,

I am not sure if we are both interpreting the original question the same.

The NZ car (which was the last chassis number issued, and PROBABLY the last car built) has bars that run from the A pillar door bar in through the engine bay, and attach to the top of the chassis rails. The Peter Muecke car (which appears to be the second last car built going from the chassis number) appears to have exactly the same bars.This to me suggests that both cars had these fitted from new. Incidentally, they are attached to the top of the chassis rail with a doubler plate welded on,just behind the engine mounts, so more likely were added to support the weight of the engine as you have suggested, rather than chassis stiffness, which was not being given a lot of thought in that period.

On that video, at around 0.22, you cannot see where the bars would join the A pillar bar. Where the camera pans across the engine bay, it does not give enough of a downward angle to see where the bars are either. I have just checked back to my photos, and as the bar is on quite a steep angle where it connects to the A pillar bar high up behind the dash. Sorry I cannot post pics of these details, but the owner does not want these pics all over the internet, so I must respect his wishes.

I cannot say for sure either way if the 1974 cars were just 1973 shells that had been updated. My understanding was that the 1974 factory cars were built from new shells. but that is all from anecdotal evidence so I cannot be sure. Many of the body panels on the Capris had the date of manufacture stamped into them, I will have a look for these next time I am looking at the NZ car.

Conrad

Hi Conrad,
You might be right. I interpreted Gregs question to be `can he attach the roll cage to the suspension turrets`. Not just if any part of the cage protruded through the bulkhead. I doubt he would want to fit these bars as on the `74 cars on their own.
I don`t think you should take too much notice of the chassis numbers as a reliable source involved at the time told me they were swapped around frequently due to Carnet needs etc....the NZ car is obviously known to have been the Kyalami car which is good.

[terence]

As indeed was the case back in the day,all manufacturers did it.

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by terence bower

As indeed was the case back in the day,all manufacturers did it.

Certainly most did as i think Carnets were quite expensive back then. Fortunately not all, BMW kept excellent records for the CSL`s. Which must mean they had Carnets for all of their cars.

[brown dog]

Originally Posted by Alex E

Hi Conrad,
You might be right. I interpreted Gregs question to be `can he attach the roll cage to the suspension turrets`. Not just if any part of the cage protruded through the bulkhead. I doubt he would want to fit these bars as on the `74 cars on their own.
I don`t think you should take too much notice of the chassis numbers as a reliable source involved at the time told me they were swapped around frequently due to Carnet needs etc....the NZ car is obviously known to have been the Kyalami car which is good.

Hi Alex,

yes we both interpreted that a little differently, hence going off in different directions

The chassis number on the NZ car is also stamped on the inner wing, and matches the screen printed ali chassis tag, so fairly sure that is correct.

The car has never been dismantled and been rebuilt either, so although a getting a little scruffy in places it is unmistakably original in most respects.

The other detail which is maybe worth mentioning is the injection system. The car could run either Lucas or Kugelfischer. The NZ car, Peter Muecke car, and car in the youtube clip ( which I think is the Koln museum car) all ran the Kugelfischer system.

Conrad

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I'll take your word for that because I can't find the reference in the book.

Another question. What homologation certificate do you have, because the FIA/RAC No 5336 on my desk fails to mention the 3100? Not surprisingly because it was an engine homologation, not a different car, so just a continuation of the same thing. As such I suspect the crossmember was a power steering version.

Hi Peter.

Page 130, paragraph under the interior picture. "(the rollcage) picked up on the rear suspension loads where the back dampers fed into the shell and ran forward to take some of the front suspension inputs and end up near the front radiator."

RS3100 homologation is 1660-74 with mountless crossmember and no power steering.

And yes, when i read that I assumed the rollcage picked up the front turrets as we would do today, now I understand how the bars were welded down to the chassis legs. In any case ANY connection to the rollcage from the front wings is going to help, especially with the huge lump of a cast iron V6 hanging in the front. In order to get an FIA logbook issued I'd need to show proof the original cars had this.

[Peter Mallett]

Got it thanks.

I shall have to look out that homologation cert.

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Got it thanks.

I shall have to look out that homologation cert.

E-mail me at greg at huzier dot com and I'll e-mail them to you. I have four Capri certificates, I'll send you the lot.

[Peter Mallett]

Cool.

[Sarnie]

Here are a couple of pics I took at the TWR auction, I sat in this car and it seemed to be completely untouched after it's Gp2 days. It clearly shows the cage coming down the A-post and turning forwards through the dash near the air vent, it then comes out in the engine bay near the top of the bulkhead down to the chassis rail near the front. Guess it would have helped triangulate the front a little, but the tube is small diameter and has a kink by the engine.

Note the transverse bar under dash.

Were they gusseted in the bottom corner of chassis rail to bulkhead ?

I also thought the 74 cars were made from the 73 cars, but can't remember where I got this from.

[Greg Cozier]

Thanks Sarnie,

Now that I know where to look, in the picture on page 130 in Walton's book of the interior of the 1973 race car I can make out the same bar welded to the a-pillar bar next to the air vent. It seems to curve upwards quite a bit as well.

[terence]

Hi Simon,long time.That bend really doesn't look like it would do an awful lot in the event of a shunt,something I certainly wouldn't bother doing.Far better just to make up and weld in a wedge each side were the chassis rail meets the bulkhead,where the quarter inch gap is,I think it was called crash protection.

[brown dog]

Good pics Sarnie, thanks. Did you happen to make a note of the chassis number?

Is this the car that Sean Lynn owns now? Or where is it?

If I were to GUESS I would say that is a 73 car that has been updated to 74. It still has the 73 instruments/dash panel, and the 73 steering column. It also looks like it has the proper (RS2600) fibreglass doors fitted, 74 should be steel doors.

There is a (genuine) 73 car in NZ as well, I am told it also has these engine bay bars through the bulkhead.

Conrad

[Sarnie]

Hi Simon,long time.That bend really doesn't look like it would do an awful lot in the event of a shunt,something I certainly wouldn't bother doing.Far better just to make up and weld in a wedge each side were the chassis rail meets the bulkhead,where the quarter inch gap is,I think it was called crash protection.

Hi Terence, hope yours is coming along well. I have the gusset wedges on mine, just like the rally Escorts.

Did you happen to make a note of the chassis number?

Hi Conrad, I forgot to look at the chassis plate while nosing under the bonnet, but the program had it down as GAECNA19997 (same numbers as the Muecke car, which I did take a pic of the plate)
Wish I had a digital camera back then would have taken 100's of pics, would have been sharper too!
See my earlier post on this other thread (post #35).
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...t=99936&page=3

Here is a magazine article on the Moffat car which shows the same bars, so with the TWR car and Peter Muecke's one I think that makes 3 all showing the same bars....
http://homepages.ezysurf.co.nz/~collx/RS3100GP2.pdf

[terence]

Its going well Simon,thanks. Seemed silly not to gusset those sections,it helps keep the rain out as well.
Interesting reading RE the Moffat car. The engine bay looks far better in period as opposed to multi coloured fittings and silicon hose's.

[Sarnie]

Just had a look through some old German magazines, in Feb'74 Sport Auto there is an 8-page article from the Ford & BMW workshops readying their cars for the '74 season.
This pic shows a '73 car with ducktail, (plus other pics with GAA fitted), in the background is what looks to be a brand new shell still with original arches, so I guess they used '73 cars and new shells for the '74 season.



Probably a lot more info. in the article but I can't read German
Guess I'm not allowed to post it all on here ?

[Greg Cozier]

Great info and pics lads, rollcage sorted! Many modern safety regs don't allow the rollcage to extend past the axle CLs but it would still help to pick up the front crossmember mounts.

Now does anyone have any pictures of the front anti-roll bar mounts on the bodyshell and the links to the tubular TCAs?

[terence]

Think you need to go back a few pages Greg,some great close up shots of the front end

[Alex E]

Originally Posted by brown dog

Hi Alex,

yes we both interpreted that a little differently, hence going off in different directions

The chassis number on the NZ car is also stamped on the inner wing, and matches the screen printed ali chassis tag, so fairly sure that is correct.

The car has never been dismantled and been rebuilt either, so although a getting a little scruffy in places it is unmistakably original in most respects.

The other detail which is maybe worth mentioning is the injection system. The car could run either Lucas or Kugelfischer. The NZ car, Peter Muecke car, and car in the youtube clip ( which I think is the Koln museum car) all ran the Kugelfischer system.

Conrad

I suppose it is sensible to assume that after Moffat bought the `74 Kyalami car it left Ford Koln with just one car. Which must be the one they raced in `75, Norisring, Kyalami, etc...which I suppose is the one they kept & still have.

Kugelfischer was a very clever thing. As it could be `mapped` and sensed load etc....and had a very high delivery pressure. And was extremely reliable when properly sorted. But quite expensive. No surprise they prefered it.

[Michael Webster]

Hi All, Just came across this thread by accident as I was looking to see if anyone had replied to a Capri related request I had posted. Great reading and some fantastic images!

We have a GP2 RS2600 Capri here and images of the front suspension (if they are of any use) but cant seem to upload them. I can email to you direct if it helps Greg?

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Alex E

I suppose it is sensible to assume that after Moffat bought the `74 Kyalami car it left Ford Koln with just one car. Which must be the one they raced in `75, Norisring, Kyalami, etc...which I suppose is the one they kept & still have.

Kugelfischer was a very clever thing. As it could be `mapped` and sensed load etc....and had a very high delivery pressure. And was extremely reliable when properly sorted. But quite expensive. No surprise they prefered it.

I know Sherwood is offering kugelfischer BDA/G 'crate' engines

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Michael Webster

Hi All, Just came across this thread by accident as I was looking to see if anyone had replied to a Capri related request I had posted. Great reading and some fantastic images!

We have a GP2 RS2600 Capri here and images of the front suspension (if they are of any use) but cant seem to upload them. I can email to you direct if it helps Greg?

Here you go...... any more pictures of the car?, please email them over im very interested in seeing them

it wouldnt attach due to wrong format

[Michael Webster]

Is their anything you need in particular?

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by Michael Webster

Hi All, Just came across this thread by accident as I was looking to see if anyone had replied to a Capri related request I had posted. Great reading and some fantastic images!

We have a GP2 RS2600 Capri here and images of the front suspension (if they are of any use) but cant seem to upload them. I can email to you direct if it helps Greg?

Yes thanks Michael, any and all images of suspension, bodyshell fabrication or brakes would help greg at huzier dot com.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Greg Cozier

Yes thanks Michael, any and all images of suspension, bodyshell fabrication or brakes would help greg at huzier dot com.

If you send them to me ill post them on here for everyone to see

[Michael Webster]

Pictures sent by email. Long shot - but do any of you guys remember a MKI Capri with the Ferguson conversion? White with a black vinyl roof.