Concrete wall V armco fencing

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by PVDA

The fact the driver and team kept going with a car with a mechanical issue hasn't really been discussed on this one yet.

Perhaps if they'd stopped they'd still have a car to send over to UnZed.

Mr Coulthard had a braking issue in Adelaide, with a few laps to go.. he knew something was wrong, his team told him to pit... car lost its excellent position.. but the car didnt pitch the pilot into a fence, brake-free either...

[Umai Naa]

From the looks of it, Symmons Plains still needs a bit of work.

Also, why doesn't V8SC use the tighter variation of turn 3? Looks like a good spot to pass if you can get through 1 and 2, two-abreast, and sneak up the inside into 3 under brakes.

[PVDA]

The tighter Turn 3 is for the motorcycles not cars.

this incident would've still happened no matter which turn 3 was used anyway.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by PVDA

The tighter Turn 3 is for the motorcycles not cars.

this incident would've still happened no matter which turn 3 was used anyway.

Not suggesting that at all.

Turn 3 had nothing to do with it. Just interested in why cars have/need a different track alignment.

[JimW]

I suspect that we may be overlooking the primary purpose of the barrier and that is to protect spectators. How it interacts with cars is secondary. Important but secondary.

Regards

Jim

[jason7253]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

Wasn't the run off way too short consider the corner approach speed? Shouldn't run off be longer with four layer tire barrier?

The inside area of the corner should have been a lot smoother. Wouldn't the gravel trap be less effective because it was so undulating?

Wasn't it back in the mid 90's when all the circuit safety upgrades happened, Magny Cours replaced alot of the concrete walls with armco.

The car hit the wall in a direct line with me (it would of taken me out if not for the wall regardless of Concrete or Armco(Bloody car looked a LOT BIGGER WHEN SITTING UP ON ITS NOSE)) but what the TV didn't show was just how far around the corner he got. I think in an interview Scott said he tried to aim it towards Hairpin. The guy in the Hoodie actually ran towards the line the car took to hit the wall he ended up behind us.

[jason7253]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

From the looks of it, Symmons Plains still needs a bit of work.

Also, why doesn't V8SC use the tighter variation of turn 3? Looks like a good spot to pass if you can get through 1 and 2, two-abreast, and sneak up the inside into 3 under brakes.

The Armco fence would not take an car impact there is a big drop off behind the Armco. The fence would just fall over.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by jason7253

The Armco fence would not take an car impact there is a big drop off behind the Armco. The fence would just fall over.

Fair enough.

I know the drifting people use that variation, but I suppose the front of the car is less likely to be pointed directly at that length of armco.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by JimW

I suspect that we may be overlooking the primary purpose of the barrier and that is to protect spectators. How it interacts with cars is secondary. Important but secondary.

Exactly right Jim, the race cars and bikes are supposed to keep between the two white lines and the fences and gravel traps are there to protect the marshals and spectators.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Exactly right Jim, the race cars and bikes are supposed to keep between the two white lines and the fences and gravel traps are there to protect the marshals and spectators.

Im trying to work out if you are being serious there.

If that was the case though why the gravel trap on the left on conrod straight?

Actually when i think about Why is it there? Seems more dangerous having it there.

[Umai Naa]

It was a good idea back in 1987.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Im trying to work out if you are being serious there.

Yes & No.

Do you want our tracks to be like modern recently built F1 tracks with huge run off areas and spectators half a kilometre (well not quite) away from the cars.

Occasionally cars (& bikes) end up in places they don't normally go and the systems have to protect those outside the car be that spectators like you and marshals like me.

[Umai Naa]

Agreed.

You can't take into account every possible scenario. Like, who thought it'd be possible for a Suzuki Swift to take a tumble into the Bathurst drive-in theatre?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Yes & No.

Do you want our tracks to be like modern recently built F1 tracks with huge run off areas and spectators half a kilometre (well not quite) away from the cars.

Occasionally cars (& bikes) end up in places they don't normally go and the systems have to protect those outside the car be that spectators like you and marshals like me.

ok, that makes sense. so somewhere in the middle often occurs.

I'm noticing lots of concrete at the Pukehoe (obviusly ex hamilton) replacing what you to be lots of armco

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

who thought it'd be possible for a Suzuki Swift to take a tumble into the Bathurst drive-in theatre?

You mean this one.....

http://youtu.be/A37FclYty2M

The Drive In was further up the hill though wasn't it??

Also who would've thought a Formula Ford would end where this one did at Calder the day before Lowndes did his big tumble in 1999??

http://youtu.be/MC1IqIKzjS4

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by PVDA

You mean this one.....

http://youtu.be/A37FclYty2M

The Drive In was further up the hill though wasn't it??

Also who would've thought a Formula Ford would end where this one did at Calder the day before Lowndes did his big tumble in 1999??

http://youtu.be/MC1IqIKzjS4

helps to explain the new walls on pit straight at bathurst. similar accident would be in the crowd