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18 Nov 2020, 13:09 (Ref:4017664) | #1 | |||
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One Make Series for GT40s
Motor Racing Legends has announced a two race series for 2021 for the GT40. No further details as yet but no doubt it will garner comments such as "they only built 10" etc.
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18 Nov 2020, 16:12 (Ref:4017719) | #2 | ||
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Always liked the GT40 . Actually sat in the one that won Le Mans 1966 or 67 , and despite all of the Hollywood / Wikipedia rubbish , they were UK designed & built . Memory tells me that there were something like 114 of them built , so should be enough still about for a race series . |
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19 Nov 2020, 03:52 (Ref:4017799) | #3 | ||
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Well max of 85 real ones .with 1085 being the last real chassis plus the 7 litre cars
Then there are another 100 or so extras which most people race Not many of the originals actually race Good idea . It’s how many survive 6 hrs from earlier in month |
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19 Nov 2020, 06:01 (Ref:4017808) | #4 | ||
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The first round will be at Donington for the Festival. Then as you say the second at Silverstone for the Historic Tourist Trophy.
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19 Nov 2020, 11:59 (Ref:4017852) | #5 | ||
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For starters, its not a one make series....
It were if it mixed Ford cars of different types lets say GT40s and Anglias (both beeing pre 1969, that would make perfect sense) It actually is a single model series in fact, if faithful GT40 replicas are allowed in, not made or authorised by Ford, one argue that it might not even be a one make series..... what concerns me more is this the public debate at large is very much concerned with diversity nowadays, to the point that 3 different kinds of toilets are now a fact in real life, in some places a single model series is about as undiverse as racing can get a concept not in tune with current thinking RudE |
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19 Nov 2020, 12:27 (Ref:4017855) | #6 | ||
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I’m personally less concerned about diversity in toilet provision than I am about diversity of cars on racing grids .
Seeing a GT40 used to be special, a rare treat to be in the presence of motor racing royalty. An entire field of replicas? Not so much. It’s not for me of course, it’s for the owners/drivers. But lets not pretend this series has anything to do with the GT40 that basically invented modern motor racing in the late 60s. |
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Not sure about the inventing modern motor racing?
The GT 40 failed for first two years and was spawned by the Lola with AM engine? Would have thought Coopers and Lotus had a much bigger influence I have no problem with the new GT 40’s as long as they are same spec as originals. Some at Spa last year were way different. Why race cars that are worth up to 9/10 mil when you can Use a copy at less than 500k? |
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FIA App J of period required 100 cars produced to be eligible . I know there was some makers managed to fool the FIA inspectors with the numbers . But I do remember reading at the time that Ford sold the last one in England as a road car & it was a total of 113 or 114 . But there has been a lot of very convincing replicas built since then , so it could bring a lot of possible entries out for this series .And if they are a very good replica , why not . |
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19 Nov 2020, 16:29 (Ref:4017894) | #10 | ||
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Look at Ronnie Spain book which is the bible as far as these cars are concerned
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Hyperbole on my part, for sure. I would say that the massive investment Ford threw at the GT40 changed motor racing for good. The cars look, to me anyway, notably more modern that what went before. The change in the GT40 itself was pretty dramatic between 65 and 69.
But anyway, iconic. Seeing the #1075 68-69 Le Mans car at Goodwood last year actually had me shaking with emotion. So maybe I’m a little biased! Seeing a bunch of replicas racing feels a bit lame for me by comparison. But that’s a very personal view and I of course wish the series and its competitors nothing but success and enjoyment. |
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It would be good if the organisers put the real date of manufacture on the entry list, then we would all know the truth, or have 2 classes for real & replica's.
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19 Nov 2020, 18:53 (Ref:4017916) | #13 | ||
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Be a very small class for real ones.
Upside is lots of people who race the new ones have an original at home. |
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Found this archive of the chassis numbers .
http://gt40.net/ Does give the race history on some of the cars , but not sure how many of them are still running . |
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19 Nov 2020, 20:23 (Ref:4017929) | #15 | ||
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Most are running but not in today’s race trim.
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THis, It's 20 years since I first got involved with old crate racing, the first few years was eye boggling. What you saw and heard was special, be it little GT's at club meets only made in their tens, or at the bigger events where the big guns came out to play. The waters are so muddied now you may as well be watching the M25 on a Monday morning. It's devalued the whole fraternity. Still fun to partake but It's not what it was. If I'd wanted continuous development I'd have started out with a Mondeo not a Cortina, it would have been a lot cheaper! |
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Only my opinion but I find its a good idea to offer this kind of opportunity to watch such cars. I will with pleasure not minding replica or not. Vox populi… |
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I seem to remember many years ago we had a superb thread on here about reengineered, continuation, fake , copy or whatever you want to call them cars.
In the past week we have had three B8’s with same chassis number. Seems all the sports cars have same situation.This has also occurred with Pre War Bentley’s and most other Pre War cars Some of the preparation people involved with cars and supposedly experts in the field use their position to create history Good thing is that with so few GT40’s most people know what’s what and Gelscoe who create many of the new cars are very clear in what they do Pity other people do not take the same moral stance |
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I find it sad that we have one model series creeping into historics. one of the reasons I don't go to modern race meetings is that nearly all the races are one make. Even the BTCC is effectively that. Watching a variety of types of cars with different characteristics racing is much more interesting.
I think this series is for the rich gentlemen owners rather than the spectators. |
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20 Nov 2020, 10:16 (Ref:4018000) | #22 | ||
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Not sure about the gentlemen in the owners description.!
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20 Nov 2020, 10:20 (Ref:4018002) | #23 | ||
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There are copies in 90 % of series.
Despite the explanations they are at Le Mans Classic, Monaco and Goodwood. Should you not let copy cars into a one make GT 40 series there will be no series . All people involved know this! Problem is to stop it becoming an arms race like U2TC. It will involve some big hitters |
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I looked at 3 Lotus Cortinas in the early 2000's and dismissed them all, went GT instead as I got a good honest car, for less. In retrospect I'm glad I was naieve at the time or I'd have bought a 1200 deluxe and built a Lotus. I thought you had to have a real car to get FiA papers. Which was the passport to the nicer races. |
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