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Old 12 May 2018, 23:04 (Ref:3821906)   #26
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that was a rather tedious race.
I disagree. The battles between Power, Wickens, Rossi and Dixon were entertaining.
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Old 12 May 2018, 23:11 (Ref:3821909)   #27
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But what battles? The only way anybody overtook anyone else is because they were on much better tyres or much better at saving fuel. There was zero actual battling going on. Isn't that what a spec chassis is supposed to provide, a level playing field so people are roughly on the same pace and can battle each other?
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Old 12 May 2018, 23:18 (Ref:3821912)   #28
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But what battles? The only way anybody overtook anyone else is because they were on much better tyres or much better at saving fuel. There was zero actual battling going on. Isn't that what a spec chassis is supposed to provide, a level playing field so people are roughly on the same pace and can battle each other?
But it's not purely spec racing, there are the different tyres and of course the engines. I think the problem is the track because in its 5 years, I can't remember it ever producing a particularly good race.
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Old 13 May 2018, 06:19 (Ref:3821954)   #29
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Old 13 May 2018, 14:04 (Ref:3822105)   #30
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1 Will Power, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h49m46.1935s
2 Scott Dixon, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h49m48.4378s. 2.2443s
3 Robert Wickens, Schmidt Peterson Motorsports. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h49m54.3556s. 8.1621s
4 Sebastien Bourdais, Dale Coyne Racing. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h49m54.9228s. 8.7293s
5 Alexander Rossi, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h49m57.9397s. 11.7462s
6 Helio Castroneves, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m00.5795s. 14.3860s
7 James Hinchcliffe, Schmidt Peterson Motorsports. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m01.5303s. 15.3368s
8 Simon Pagenaud, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m03.4289s. 17.2354s
9 Graham Rahal, Rahal Letterman Lanigan. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m04.2922s. 18.0987s
10 Takuma Sato, Rahal Letterman Lanigan. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m09.3072s. 23.1137s
11 Josef Newgarden, Team Penske. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m10.4567s. 24.2632s
12 Zachary Claman, Dale Coyne Racing. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m16.2356s. 30.0421s
13 Marco Andretti, Andretti Herta. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m23.6309s. 37.4374s
14 Tony Kanaan, AJ Foyt Enterprises. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m27.5391s. 41.3456s
15 Spencer Pigot, Ed Carpenter Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m27.8862s. 41.6927s
16 Max Chilton, Carlin. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m29.0369s. 42.8434s
17 Gabby Chaves, Harding Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m31.2918s. 45.0983s
18 Ryan Hunter-Reay, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. 85. 1h50m39.3021s. 53.1086s
19 Kyle Kaiser, Juncos Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m44.3690s. 58.1755s
20 Charlie Kimball, Carlin. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h50m57.9473s. 1m11.7538s
21 Matheus Leist, AJ Foyt Enterprises. Dallara/Chevrolet. 85. 1h51m04.1853s. 1m17.9918s
22 Ed Jones, Chip Ganassi Racing. Dallara/Honda. 84. 1h49m51.6095s. 1 Lap
23 Zach Veach, Andretti Autosport. Dallara/Honda. 84. 1h50m07.6069s. 1 Lap
24 Jordan King, Ed Carpenter Racing. Dallara/Chevrolet. 83. 1h50m36.6121s. 2 Laps
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Old 13 May 2018, 23:50 (Ref:3822225)   #31
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Well yes, the strategy part is already done. Power will breeze past Wickens and win.

And it's hardly strategy anyway because of the dumb rule you need to use both tyres.
Why is it a dumb rule? It is the same for everyone and promotes overtaking and enhances strategy options should you get stuck behind someone.

On one hand you are complaining that there is a lack of passes and on the other hand you are complaining that the only passing it done on different tyres and fuel strategies?
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I don't think I'll bother watching more IndyCar races this year besides the 500. That was pretty dreadful.

I assume you stopped watching F1 years ago then? Because if Indycar is dreadful, what does that make F1 and that race at Spain? The only entertainment were the crashes at turn 1. Just wait till evening news comes on, it's the one thing they'll show other than Lewis getting the chequers.
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But what battles? The only way anybody overtook anyone else is because they were on much better tyres or much better at saving fuel. There was zero actual battling going on. Isn't that what a spec chassis is supposed to provide, a level playing field so people are roughly on the same pace and can battle each other?
It was a fuel mileage race at a boring track. It happens.
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I don't think I'll bother watching more IndyCar races this year besides the 500. That was pretty dreadful.
It wasn't the best IndyCar race. But that is because it was more like an f1 race, without all the driver drama/intrigue/soap opera stuff that makes it better. F1-style track, little passing, different tire strategies providing only passing, just like different tire compounds or drs providing only passing in f1.

Really, the race would have been much mkre interesting if broadcast by nbcsn. That ABC crew is dreadful. No emotion, description, nothing. Just matter-of-fact "this just happened" and move on, and two ex-drivers, who unlike Paul Tracy and Townsend bell, rather than poking fun at each other and themselves, seem to be stuffy, and dry about their careers. Feels like the broadcast is something only acceptable 20 years ago. The weird female voice over for rejoins that have no reason to be there, constant commercials, infomercial for the Indy 500.... Ugh I was getting angry at them rather than enjoying the race. And if that wasn't enough, these killjoys had to spoil the results of the f1 race twice, as opposed to Leigh diffey making a point on numerous occasions to not spoil the results of other races. So not only did they minimize the enjoyment of this race, but also of the f1 race, of which I have not watched yet.

Moral of the story: race wasn't the best, but had its intrigue. Was presented terribly, and can't be criticized if you turn around and then watch f1. At least in IndyCar there are 10 legitimate title contenders.
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Old 14 May 2018, 08:57 (Ref:3822282)   #35
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Unusual Indycar race then. But every series has less than exciting races, including F1, which has it's moments too. I don't think the track had much to do with it, hopefully the next race will be better.

Whatever happens, the Indycar series is getting more exposure and so we should be thankful for that. It's enjoying a good era at the moment, hopefully the coverage improves too. Sometimes that can less than interesting too. Let's just enjoy the series. It's one of the best series of this time. So let's move on and look forward to the next race. In fact let's enjoy all racing, including F1, which will have better races in the future and especially Indycar with the closest racing on the planet
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It's dreadful and I've given up on most major network coverage. We have to go with YouTube streams or some other dodgy stream to actual follow the race instead of being bombarded by commercials during what is essentially an event full of advertisements.
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Usually I get a feed from BTSport/ESPN, which is excellent, because when the commercials come up, the commentary switches to the BTSport studio and you can still watch the race but they weren't showing it on Saturday. It was tennis instead.
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Damn. ESPN has four channel in South America, and they are busy with French and Dutch football, golf and tennis.
So I opened ESPN Play.com, where they don't air commercials, but let the track feed, sometimes with ambient audio, and sometimes with no audio at all.
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