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Old 16 Nov 2016, 01:41 (Ref:3688405)   #61
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Awesome if they can pull it off.

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I love Servia however would maybe prefer someone like a young and up coming Sage Karam rather than Servia.
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Awesome if they can pull it off.

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/13...car-for-servia

I love Servia however would maybe prefer someone like a young and up coming Sage Karam rather than Servia.
I agree, IndyCar needs to be bringing on new drivers.
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Old 17 Nov 2016, 12:37 (Ref:3688840)   #63
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I agree, IndyCar needs to be bringing on new drivers.
Rahal and Pigot was a good combination, too, this year.
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That Sato, if Andretti pulls it... waste of a seat, good seat. If Japanese driver is needed Honda sent two to European series... Nirei Fukuzumi and Nobu....... Matsushita, and the latter should fit well in IndyCar ;-). But honestly, enough's enough, NASCAR, ARCA round the corner and NSX in IMSA. Great stuff with Jones, and still waiting for news from Merc and Rosenqvist that will not renew, ICS really needs raw talent, Rosenqvist natural born racer.
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I agree, IndyCar needs to be bringing on new drivers.
Rahal has been very vocal on having an experienced driver in the second car. He ran Servia part-time 2 years ago.

Pigot's best opportunity is with ECR extending his deal in the #20. The silly season has been pretty quick compared to previous years, there are only 3.75 seats left (Vasser is supposedly continuing without Kalkhoven, the Ganassi and Andretti fourth cars, and the 11 other races alongside Ed Carpenter in his second car).
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Rahal has been very vocal on having an experienced driver in the second car. He ran Servia part-time 2 years ago.

Pigot's best opportunity is with ECR extending his deal in the #20. The silly season has been pretty quick compared to previous years, there are only 3.75 seats left (Vasser is supposedly continuing without Kalkhoven, the Ganassi and Andretti fourth cars, and the 11 other races alongside Ed Carpenter in his second car).
There's nothing wrong with having experienced drivers and there are two very experienced drivers in TK and Castroneves but neither has won a race in a while. I don't see what Servia will bring to the mix.

The IRL needs to attract new, young drivers. The likes of TK and Castroneves can't go on forever.
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Old 19 Nov 2016, 02:57 (Ref:3689180)   #67
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There's nothing wrong with having experienced drivers
He's reliable, cheap and has a mechnical engineering degree, along with vast experience driving many different cars... so he can set up and develop cars better than a rookie can. That's not to say I agree with Bobby Rahal's reasoning, but that's his interest in Servia. He's been consistent on that for more than 2 years.

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and there are two very experienced drivers in TK and Castroneves but neither has won a race in a while.
Indycar had 4 rookies last season, and there are no shortage of drivers interested (eg Dean Stoneman, Jack Harvey, Max Chilton, Felix Serralles, Zach Veach, Kyle Kaiser, Santiago Urrutia). Several Indy Lights drivers were given Indycar tests during 2016, including the ones I've mentioned. Rosenqvist is not in the picture because Mercedes hired him away in the middle of the Lights season, although he did get a test.

As for Penske, well when 3 of your guys finish 1-2-3 you're going to drop the one who didn't finish 4th, which was Montoya. He's taken Newgarden, which is a big step towards lowering the average age at the team. Rossi has been retained by Andretti. Munoz and Daly are at Foyt, so he has 2 young drivers now. Ed Jones got a full-season seat (he is the 17th Indy Lights driver to get at least 1 Indycar start since the MRTI began in 2010).

Personally I would agree on replacing Kanaan, but then Chip will point to Karam and Chilton as examples of why that isn't necessarily an improvement. We'll see what happens with the #8, I have a feeling Chilton won't be back.
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He's reliable, cheap and has a mechnical engineering degree, along with vast experience driving many different cars... so he can set up and develop cars better than a rookie can. That's not to say I agree with Bobby Rahal's reasoning, but that's his interest in Servia. He's been consistent on that for more than 2 years.
I'm not convinced about Servia. He's 42, his best season finish was 2nd in the 2005 Champ Car season followed by 4th, in the 2011 Izod IndyCar Series. As for development, the DW 12 and the aero-kits have been frozen for next season, so I don't see what he can bring there and each driver has their own set up.

RLL obviously have their reasons for signing Servia and driver signings involve money, bringing new sponsors, something RLL will need if they are going to run a two car team full season.
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I'm not convinced about Servia. He's 42, his best season finish was 2nd in the 2005 Champ Car season followed by 4th, in the 2011 Izod IndyCar Series. As for development, the DW 12 and the aero-kits have been frozen for next season, so I don't see what he can bring there and each driver has their own set up.
I mentioned mechanical, not aero.

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RLL obviously have their reasons for signing Servia and driver signings involve money, bringing new sponsors, something RLL will need if they are going to run a two car team full season.
Servia doesn't have any money, why do you think he isn't full-time? He hasn't been signed yet because RLL doesn't have the sponsors in place. Unless you think Penske had Servia fill in for Power because he brought money? Or Andretti? Those were fully funded cars at the time.
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I don't see what Servia will bring to the mix.

The IRL needs to attract new, young drivers. The likes of TK and Castroneves can't go on forever.
Servia will bring experience, maturity and additional feedback that will feed into the performance of the #15. Putting Servia in, if successful is a good outcome.

A 2nd Rahal car is about improving the prospects of Graham - nothing more.

For me, I would just prefer it to go to Karam.

I think Indycar has done a good job of promoting talent in the last couple of seasons - especially US talent with Newgarden, Daly, Rossi and now JR

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So does Indycar.
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I mentioned mechanical, not aero.

Servia doesn't have any money, why do you think he isn't full-time? He hasn't been signed yet because RLL doesn't have the sponsors in place. Unless you think Penske had Servia fill in for Power because he brought money? Or Andretti? Those were fully funded cars at the time.
There's to be no more development on the DW 12, that's it. The DW 12 as we know it will be replaced in 2018.

Whether Servia is full time or part time, it's going to require money to run a second car. If he hasn't been signed because the sponsors aren't in place that would make sense. It's a two way street. Money is tight these days, so no team is going to sign a driver unless the driver and team have a financial package that's mutually beneficial.
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Servia will bring experience, maturity and additional feedback that will feed into the performance of the #15. Putting Servia in, if successful is a good outcome.

A 2nd Rahal car is about improving the prospects of Graham - nothing more.

For me, I would just prefer it to go to Karam.

I think Indycar has done a good job of promoting talent in the last couple of seasons - especially US talent with Newgarden, Daly, Rossi and now JR

So does Indycar.
Graham Rahal's done an outstanding good job with #15 car. He finished 5th in the driver's championship and was top Honda. I don't see what Servia can do to improve the #15 car as he won't actually be driving it and any further development on the DW 12 is now frozen. Also it's not clear if he will get a full or part time drive. If he is part time, any input will be sporadic.

If a 2nd Rahal car is about improving the prospects of Graham Rahal, then I would have thought that would be financial and allow the team to run on a bigger budget, which they will need anyway if they are going to run a second car.

Of course IndyCar does, it's owned and run by the IRL.
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Graham Rahal's done an outstanding good job with #15 car. He finished 5th in the driver's championship and was top Honda. I don't see what Servia can do to improve the #15 car as he won't actually be driving it and any further development on the DW 12 is now frozen. Also it's not clear if he will get a full or part time drive. If he is part time, any input will be sporadic.
Agreed - Servia won't be driving the #15

Have you never heard about 1 car teams talk of how 2 car teams are important as they improve the level of data gained, more efficient in testing & practice and improve performance quicker than 1 car teams?Hence the keeness for Bobby Rahal to add a 2nd car to RLL

Aero development maybe frozen however car set up isn't - this is where Servia with his experience and knowledge would help RLL and Graham.

No it isn't clear if its part time or full time - it could be neither. The announcement spelled that out loud itself.

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yes - the article stated that the 2nd car would depend on sponsors and external investment. No secrets there.

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Of course IndyCar does, it's owned and run by the IRL.
Isn't Indycar owned by the Indianapolis Motor Speedway not the IRL?
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Agreed - Servia won't be driving the #15

Have you never heard about 1 car teams talk of how 2 car teams are important as they improve the level of data gained, more efficient in testing & practice and improve performance quicker than 1 car teams?Hence the keeness for Bobby Rahal to add a 2nd car to RLL

Aero development maybe frozen however car set up isn't - this is where Servia with his experience and knowledge would help RLL and Graham.

No it isn't clear if its part time or full time - it could be neither. The announcement spelled that out loud itself.

yes - the article stated that the 2nd car would depend on sponsors and external investment. No secrets there.

Isn't Indycar owned by the Indianapolis Motor Speedway not the IRL?
At this late stage, I'm not really to sure how much Servia's knowledge and experience will really impact, he's only took part in 2 races last year. As a single car team RLLR, have done far better than any of the mult-car Honda teams. The second highest Honda driver was Munoz, in 10th place.

With regard to set ups, they are a highly individual thing. Drivers will have different set ups from each other.

I'm beginning to think Servia's inclusion, that's if it goes ahead, might have something more to do with the 2018 car. I'm not too sure when the teams take delivery of it but that's where someone like Servia's experience will come into its own, when it comes to evaluating it.

The IRL owns IndyCar, we've been over this before. Indy Racing League, LLC, is a subsidiary of Hulman & Company, who also own IMS.
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At this late stage, I'm not really to sure how much Servia's knowledge and experience will really impact, he's only took part in 2 races last year. As a single car team RLLR, have done far better than any of the mult-car Honda teams. The second highest Honda driver was Munoz, in 10th place.
So imagine the potential of RLL with 2 cars and double the data.

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With regard to set ups, they are a highly individual thing. Drivers will have different set ups from each other.
They are - so imagine rocking up to Gateway in 2017 and in practice having 2 cars and drivers who can evaluate car and set up options.

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The IRL owns IndyCar, we've been over this before. Indy Racing League, LLC, is a subsidiary of Hulman & Company, who also own IMS.
We have - hence the reason I dont understand why you persist with the IRL language on a forum, especially as a moderator. Indycar and IMS dont use the IRL brand or language in its comms - not sure why you do.
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