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Old 29 Jun 2020, 19:46 (Ref:3984556)   #726
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I’ve cherry picked this article from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News

Here is another link to that UN statement .
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1067272

So , is Breitbart wrong for showing it , is the UN itself wrong , or is it that most of the media will not tell the truth if it does not agree with their agenda ?
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Old 29 Jun 2020, 20:12 (Ref:3984559)   #727
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There's a big difference between:

'The report recommends that countries such as DRC provide “conducive environment to attract investment to establish new mines or expand existing ones”.'

and

'U.N. Warns of Devastating Environmental Side Effects of Electric Car Boom'
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Old 29 Jun 2020, 22:09 (Ref:3984566)   #728
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In that case we need to turn to an ethical mining company to relieve the pressure on the environment.

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Old 29 Jun 2020, 22:59 (Ref:3984567)   #729
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Here is another link to that UN statement .
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1067272

So , is Breitbart wrong for showing it , is the UN itself wrong , or is it that most of the media will not tell the truth if it does not agree with their agenda ?
Has it not occurred to you that some of the media (the other part) might not be telling the truth because it does not agree with their agenda?

Here is the UN’s section on climate change.
https://www.un.org/en/sections/issue...limate-change/
Are you saying that all of that is wrong?

Are you saying that most of the media and the scientific community is wrong for repeating the following?
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There are some basic well-established scientific links:
* The concentration of GHGs in the earth’s atmosphere is directly linked to the average global temperature on Earth;
* The concentration has been rising steadily, and mean global temperatures along with it, since the time of the Industrial Revolution;
* The most abundant GHG, accounting for about two-thirds of GHGs, carbon dioxide (CO2), is largely the product of burning fossil fuels.
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Old 29 Jun 2020, 23:01 (Ref:3984568)   #730
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In that case we need to turn to an ethical mining company to relieve the pressure on the environment.
Yes we do need to make sure we consider that. It won’t be easy.
But I think you have the solution there
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It's a simple adaptation of the Hierarchy of Needs.

Recently I bought a car I thought did everything. But it didn't do some things quite as well as I thought so now I've got two vehicles to cover those bases, but one of those isn't perfect so I need a third to cover another situation. I still haven't sold the original car, but I will.
In a similar vein to this - and possibly an indication that the approach and mentality to car purchases may need to change over the coming years, Top Gear have produced a 10-step guide for those thinking of buying an EV.

Some interesting comments that I have carefully selected - some may even say cherry-picked:

'Even the cheapest electric cars are still quite expensive. Of course, there are deals to be had, but usually EVs are a few grand dearer to buy outright, or about £100 per month more on PCP than a comparable internal combustion-powered car.'

'On average Brits only drive 20 miles a day and lots of range typically costs lots of money, so before you spend big on that Model S, I-Pace or Kona, it’s worth thinking about how much of it you strictly need. You can always rent another car for longer journeys.'

'pay attention to the range computer. ‘Enthusiastic’ driving, cold weather and liberal use of the air-con all hobble range'

'It’s not as simple as just rocking up and plugging in. Some chargers let you pay as you go with a contactless credit or debit card, but others need you to have an account set up and a specific app on your phone'

'EVs are great, but they aren’t the second coming. Or maybe they are.'
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Old 30 Jun 2020, 09:19 (Ref:3984646)   #732
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Has it not occurred to you that some of the media (the other part) might not be telling the truth because it does not agree with their agenda?

Here is the UN’s section on climate change.
https://www.un.org/en/sections/issue...limate-change/
Are you saying that all of that is wrong?

Are you saying that most of the media and the scientific community is wrong for repeating the following?
The UN invented the idea of Global warming / Climate change to further their political aims , so it is not surprising that their story is a load of lies .
Their story of a scientific concensus has been proved , over & over again , to be rubbish based on just a few people when the overwhelming majority disagree.
https://www.usapoliticstoday.org/sci...limate-change/
But anyone who tries to tell the truth is censored or even sacked from their job . Note , the post I put up recently ,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...I#4175a2c1fa84
Has been made to disappear already.
Records prove that the world was warmer than now in Medieval times , it got colder in the "Little Ice Age " , then started warming up from then . It was hotter than now in the 1930s , got colder up to the 1960s when the politicians then warned about a coming ICE AGE , got hotter up to the 1990s when the Global Warming lies were about , & has been cooling since then .
That is when the CLIMATEGATE EMAILS were saying to "HIDE THE DECLINE " .
Which is why NASA GISS have been altering temperature records ever since to try to fool people that the world is still warming .

Then there is the GHG s . Water vapour is the most abundant , being over 100 times more than CO2 . And of the CO2 , which is only .04% total , the vast majority is natural , & human contribution is only a very tiny percent of that very tiny percent .

So anyone who believes in the UN version is blind to the obvious , or desperately wanting to bring about a New World Socialist Government .

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Old 30 Jun 2020, 09:28 (Ref:3984651)   #733
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The UN invented the idea of Global warming / Climate change to further their political aims , so it is not surprising that their story is a load of lies .
Their story of a scientific concensus has been proved , over & over again , to be rubbish based on just a few people when the overwhelming majority disagree.
https://www.usapoliticstoday.org/sci...limate-change/
But anyone who tries to tell the truth is censored or even sacked from their job . Note , the post I put up recently ,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael...I#4175a2c1fa84
Has been made to disappear already.
Records prove that the world was warmer than now in Medieval times , it got colder in the "Little Ice Age " , then started warming up from then . It was hotter than now in the 1930s , got colder up to the 1960s when the politicians then warned about a coming ICE AGE , got hotter up to the 1990s when the Global Warming lies were about , & has been cooling since then .
That is when the CLIMATEGATE EMAILS were saying to "HIDE THE DECLINE " .
Which is why NASA GISS have been altering temperature records ever since to try to fool people that the world is still warming .

Then there is the GHG s . Water vapour is the most abundant , being over 100 times more than CO2 . And of the CO2 , which is only .04% total , the vast majority is natural , & human contribution is only a very tiny percent of that very tiny percent .

So anyone who believes in the UN version is blind to the obvious , or desperately wanting to bring about a New World Socialist Government .
And if anyone believes in the MSM telling the truth , perhaps they could explain why both the links in this have been censored .
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Regarding Wikipedia it may be great for finding out lots of things, however don't forget that "Wikipedia" is a wiki, meaning that "anyone" can edit any unprotected page and improve articles immediately for all readers. You do not need to register to do this.
Totally agree Gordon .
Wiki may be handy for a few things , but the editing of its articles has led to a large number of them being total lies .
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/...ley-continues/

But like a lot of the media , they will only allow the side of the story that fits the political agenda .
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Is it a coincidence that, when you look at the Wikipedia article for Cherry Picking, it contains the following:

'Cherry-picking is often used in science denial such as climate change denial. For example, by deliberately cherry picking appropriate time periods, here 1998–2012, an artificial "pause" can be created, even when there is an ongoing warming trend'

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Is it a coincidence that, when you look at the Wikipedia article for Cherry Picking, it contains the following:

'Cherry-picking is often used in science denial such as climate change denial. For example, by deliberately cherry picking appropriate time periods, here 1998–2012, an artificial "pause" can be created, even when there is an ongoing warming trend'


yes , that is quite a good example of Wiki s lying .

But sometimes the cherry - picking is almost explainable . Like when they mention Arctic sea ice and use Satellite info for it .
Satellites have only been about since 1978 , so is a good start time for them as that was when the world was warming up again from the 60s cold spell .
You remember Arctic sea ice , it was predicted to be all gone by many years ago , and now by mid summer , there is only 11 Million Square Kilometers of it left .
So the average area did reduce from 78 through until about 2012 , but is now increasing again .
But if you take the figures from 100 years ago , then overall it starts from a much smaller area than has been seen since .So the average amount has increased .
The 1930s were a much warmer time than now so Ice Levels in Greenland & the Arctic were much smaller .

So which example of those is Cherry Picking .
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Ok, we are sooo far away from the original intent of the topic I'm closing it.
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