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Old 19 Jul 2018, 09:36 (Ref:3837457)   #151
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That's already a given. But the team he runs is literally the only team able to make such a statement, which does give it a bit more validity had it been said by another party.
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Old 19 Jul 2018, 11:09 (Ref:3837473)   #152
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The last updated Honda engine (introduced in Canada) has not had any decent track time to compare it to the Renault I would've thought.

Honda's latest spec engine has failed miserably, particularly in Hartley's car. So no real data to compare with the Renault.









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Old 19 Jul 2018, 11:36 (Ref:3837479)   #153
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The engine will have also run in dynos, and in the shop.

The last update to the Honda engine has done Canada, France, Austria and Silverstone. It's had plenty of track time to validate data.

I'm not saying Horner is right, but he is the operator of literally the only team that can make such a statement, and the Honda engine was introduced 4 races ago. So..yeah.
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Old 19 Jul 2018, 12:41 (Ref:3837493)   #154
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Red Bull certainly are taking a gamble with regards to next year but then so was STR this year after all the woes McLaren had.
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Old 20 Jul 2018, 02:14 (Ref:3837623)   #155
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Red Bull certainly are taking a gamble with regards to next year but then so was STR this year after all the woes McLaren had.
They are using STR as a test mule but as we all know it's not going too well, just like with McLaren and it's now over half way through the season, with two more back to back races before going into the the summer break. RBR must be hoping there is some improvement. If there isn't, I think they may have to consider, they made a mistake.
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Old 20 Jul 2018, 02:40 (Ref:3837625)   #156
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I am pretty sure I have read that Honda is focusing on the 2019 solution. We may see one more significant upgrade before the end of the season, and no doubt they will work on reliability this season, but we may not see any large difference in the remainder of 2018. I hope I am wrong.

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Red Bull certainly are taking a gamble with regards to next year but then so was STR this year after all the woes McLaren had.
Does STR actually have significant external sponsorship to answer to?
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Old 21 Jul 2018, 09:27 (Ref:3837802)   #158
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Does STR actually have significant external sponsorship to answer to?
None. STR have no significant sponsorship. Only two major "sponsors" being Red Bull and Honda.

The last significant sponsor was Cepsa. Which ended in 2015.







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Old 21 Jul 2018, 15:07 (Ref:3837835)   #159
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None. STR have no significant sponsorship. Only two major "sponsors" being Red Bull and Honda.

The last significant sponsor was Cepsa. Which ended in 2015.






STR also list Acronis and Edifice Casio, alongside Red Bull and Honda, on their website.
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Old 21 Jul 2018, 15:49 (Ref:3837839)   #160
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With the way Ferrari is going I'm definitely seeing teams like Haas qualifying in front of the Red Bulls next year.
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Old 21 Jul 2018, 16:08 (Ref:3837842)   #161
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With the way Ferrari is going I'm definitely seeing teams like Haas qualifying in front of the Red Bulls next year.
That's a good call, and it raises an interesting point. Behind RBR, the mid-field is tightly packed. Renault, Haas Force India and McLaren are only separated by ~20 points. If you get leapt by one midfield team, the chances are you'll lose out to them all.
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With the way Ferrari is going I'm definitely seeing teams like Haas qualifying in front of the Red Bulls next year.
Qualifying? I think we could see multiple Haas podium positions with any mechanical trouble or accidents. They weren't too far off today and think the race could be interesting for them.
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For me, it's very good news. Time we had some change to the 'old order'. With Sauber looking as though they're fast improving as well (with Leclerc, anyway), its quite refreshing.
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STR also list Acronis and Edifice Casio, alongside Red Bull and Honda, on their website.
They are not "significant " sponsors and have 0 say in the decisions STR makes. The Acronis and Casio partnerships are only minor.






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They are not "significant " sponsors and have 0 say in the decisions STR makes. The Acronis and Casio partnerships are only minor.






Some money is better than 0 money.
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I suggest you go back and read the context.

The question was whether STR has any significant sponsors with any influence on STR's decision to go with Honda this year.

The answer is no, they don't.



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I suggest you go back and read the context.

The question was whether STR has any significant sponsors with any influence on STR's decision to go with Honda this year.

The answer is no, they don't.



I did and that's why I went to their website, to find out who their sponsors are. Their significance, or otherwise, seems to be purely your interpretation.
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For me, it's very good news. Time we had some change to the 'old order'. With Sauber looking as though they're fast improving as well (with Leclerc, anyway), its quite refreshing.
But if the change is just that instead of 3 teams fighting for potential wins we'll just have 2, how is that good news?
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Er, I didn't see it like that at all. I don't see Red Bull tumbling down to the lower order....
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Imagine if RBR had the Honda this year. They’d be a clear third in the constructor points.

Oh yes, just like now.
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Oh yes, just like now.
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Imagine if RBR had the Honda this year. They’d be a clear third in the constructor points.

Oh yes, just like now.
With exactly 0 victories.
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That Honda engine is very schizophrenic and it's going to weigh down the RBR challenge next year. Maybe they are planning to develop an in-house engine during the interval should the Honda deal not pay off. Maybe that's the next frontier for the team.
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