Will ANYONE finish R1 Melbourne? - Page 2

b1ackcr0w · 6 Mar 2014, 22:00 (Ref:3375931)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

Sorry. Ill try again. Grojean/Maldando to tackle each other.
OR/AND
Hearing Rob Smedley say; "Kimi is faster than you".
Yes. That will do me....

Rob has signed to Williams BTW http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112640

chillibowl · 6 Mar 2014, 22:17 (Ref:3375937)

is it immediate or is Ferrari holding on to him for a bit...you know for stuff like "Kimi, Alonso is gardening better than you"

back on topic, Sodemo way to Kobayashi maru the vote

djinvicta · 6 Mar 2014, 22:46 (Ref:3375950)

Smedley to Williams? YES!!!!! Massa ok then. Good stuff.

djinvicta · 6 Mar 2014, 22:48 (Ref:3375953)

Rob to Williams. I LIKE THAT! Cracking stuff.

FordCosworthPanoz · 7 Mar 2014, 06:21 (Ref:3376026)

There will definately be finishers but I am going to make one left field prediction I'll probably come to regret. Massa/Bottas will 1,2 at Melbourne in either order.

Casper · 7 Mar 2014, 13:56 (Ref:3376130)

It is a very sad prospect that F1 is going to willingly embarrass itself as an organisation no matter how it has come about. The so called cream or Motorsport are going to go to a race meeting with the real prospect that a large number are not going to finish due to incompetence from everyone involved from the top down. If it does turn out to be a debacle watch the recriminations fly, this will be the interesting part. Why would a promoter pay millions of dollars for a show that has a strong possibility of being a fizzer and be happy about it?

ECW Dan Selby · 7 Mar 2014, 16:22 (Ref:3376177)

That's an over-reaction if i've ever heard one /\

For a start, I think this topic is slightly OTT in itself. Of course someone will finish the race.

Teams have been doing over race distance in testing, so why would all of them blow up for the race?

Sure, we'll have a fair few retirements, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see all of this hysteria amount to nothing when only 4-5 cars end up retiring.

And did Ferrari/McLaren/Jordan all get crap back in the day for retiring nearly every other race? Nope.

It's new regs, with not much testing. I for one think it's fantastic!

F1 is a TEAM sport, and this year, the teams have really had their work cut out for them. How is that not a good thing?

Selby

**bjohnsonsmith** · 7 Mar 2014, 16:43 (Ref:3376187)

I haven't seen an attritional race, with half the field or less finishing for a long time. Melbourne could produce such a race.

rwintle · 7 Mar 2014, 17:53 (Ref:3376228)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I haven't seen an attritional race, with half the field or less finishing for a long time. Melbourne could produce such a race.

I guess the danger is that contenders might elect to take it a bit easy if they're concerned about the engine holding up. Which could make for interesting strategies, but pretty poor racing.

On the other hand, if all the big dogs go like the proverbial bat out of hell and blow up, maybe one of the really slow teams could score a podium?

Armco Bender · 7 Mar 2014, 17:53 (Ref:3376229)

I think all the cars will finish the race and Red Bull will stun everyone when Vettell laps the whole field.

fourWheelDrift · 7 Mar 2014, 18:00 (Ref:3376232)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I haven't seen an attritional race, with half the field or less finishing for a long time. Melbourne could produce such a race.

Yes it would be an embaressment if there were no finishers or only a handful of cars were blatantly tootling around to make it to the end with no one even trying to set a reasonable pace but that is hardly likely.

If half the field drops out that's fine, give 'em something to work on for the next race

In fact we had many races like this in the "glory days" of F1 which most posters on here seem to want to magically return to, so I really don't see the problem.

adam46 · 7 Mar 2014, 19:09 (Ref:3376260)

I believe that a few of the backmarker teams would be wise to run slow and pick up the pieces. I think Marussia will score their first points soon. If not at Australia, certainly before we reach Europe.

miatanut · 7 Mar 2014, 21:41 (Ref:3376307)

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Originally Posted by Casper

It is a very sad prospect that F1 is going to willingly embarrass itself as an organisation no matter how it has come about. The so called cream or Motorsport are going to go to a race meeting with the real prospect that a large number are not going to finish due to incompetence from everyone involved from the top down. If it does turn out to be a debacle watch the recriminations fly, this will be the interesting part. Why would a promoter pay millions of dollars for a show that has a strong possibility of being a fizzer and be happy about it?

So F1 could look a bit more like it did when I first fell in love with it:
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/a...1967/f167.html

Horrors!

Graham Hill, Dan Gurney, and Jackie Stewart sure had a sucky season! I forgot about that.

500 KG minimum weight!

Those were the days.

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Originally Posted by fourWheelDrift

In fact we had many races like this in the "glory days" of F1 which most posters on here seem to want to magically return to, so I really don't see the problem.

Yup!

Knowlesy · 7 Mar 2014, 21:43 (Ref:3376310)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

Rob to Williams. I LIKE THAT! Cracking stuff.

Rob, if you're reading, come and buy me a pint. I really like your work and we could be bestest friends.

Lots of love,

A fellow northerner in Oxfordshire.

ECW Dan Selby · 8 Mar 2014, 01:04 (Ref:3376357)

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Originally Posted by adam46

I believe that a few of the backmarker teams would be wise to run slow and pick up the pieces. I think Marussia will score their first points soon. If not at Australia, certainly before we reach Europe.

Yeh, I suggested on another site that they could split their strategies.

Have one card 'tuned up' and the other 'tuned down'. You'd have Bianchi with the car turned up a little to see where they stand and push where necessary, and have Chilton's turned down with the sole purpose of (almost) definitely finishing the race and hope others fall away.

It could be an even better idea with Caterham.

Selby

Teretonga · 8 Mar 2014, 11:33 (Ref:3376447)

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Originally Posted by Casper

It is a very sad prospect that F1 is going to willingly embarrass itself as an organisation no matter how it has come about. The so called cream or Motorsport are going to go to a race meeting with the real prospect that a large number are not going to finish due to incompetence from everyone involved from the top down. If it does turn out to be a debacle watch the recriminations fly, this will be the interesting part. Why would a promoter pay millions of dollars for a show that has a strong possibility of being a fizzer and be happy about it?

You need to look at history a little. Even if most of the cars retired it wouldn't be any worse than Monaco in 1982. Patrese won because second and third were a lap behind after running out of fuel...(Pironi and de Cesaris) Mansell and de Angelis were next , running but a lap down and Daly had crashed the Williams so was two laps down and not running... The rest had all gone two laps or more before the finish...
The thing was the race was so sensational and had so much surprise in it, that it was regarded as a great dramatic race!

Back in 1968 only 16 cars were allowed to start at Monaco.

Hill and Attwood were the only ones on the lead lap. Third and fourth (Cooper BRM's) were 4 laps down and Hulme was 5th, 7 laps down. In an 80 lap race the other 11 cars were all out by lap 17..... It was just the way it was. It was tough mechanically back then...
If reliability is bad people will still take the positives out of it.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 8 Mar 2014, 12:10 (Ref:3376455)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

You need to look at history a little. Even if most of the cars retired it wouldn't be any worse than Monaco in 1982. Patrese won because second and third were a lap behind after running out of fuel...(Pironi and de Cesaris) Mansell and de Angelis were next , running but a lap down and Daly had crashed the Williams so was two laps down and not running... The rest had all gone two laps or more before the finish...
The thing was the race was so sensational and had so much surprise in it, that it was regarded as a great dramatic race!

Back in 1968 only 16 cars were allowed to start at Monaco.

Hill and Attwood were the only ones on the lead lap. Third and fourth (Cooper BRM's) were 4 laps down and Hulme was 5th, 7 laps down. In an 80 lap race the other 11 cars were all out by lap 17..... It was just the way it was. It was tough mechanically back then...
If reliability is bad people will still take the positives out of it.

It is worth looking at a little history, so I chose at random the 1977 Spanish GP. From a starting line up of 24 cars, 14 were classified at the finish, 5 of which were still on the lead lap, a few others were a lap or two down but some were down by as much 4 or 5 laps. The 1978 Spanish GP isn't much different.

Armco Bender · 8 Mar 2014, 20:04 (Ref:3376513)

You can't really compare the 1970's races with today,as the mechanical reliabilty of F1 motors of the '70s was nothing like the engines of today.

fourWheelDrift · 8 Mar 2014, 20:46 (Ref:3376527)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

You can't really compare the 1970's races with today,as the mechanical reliabilty of F1 motors of the '70s was nothing like the engines of today.

Which is kind of the point really, the new rules mean building an F1 car that complies with the regulations, is reasonably quick and makes it to the end of the race is an interesting challenge once again instead of being taken for granted with the competitive edge coming from minute differences. In many ways that's a return to the F1 I knew in my youth and I'm looking forward to it.

Of course it may not be like that for long, maybe just the first few races.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 8 Mar 2014, 21:23 (Ref:3376543)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

You can't really compare the 1970's races with today,as the mechanical reliabilty of F1 motors of the '70s was nothing like the engines of today.

It will be interesting to see how these new turbo engines stand up for the first few races.

**Born Racer** · 8 Mar 2014, 22:58 (Ref:3376572)

I volunteer to eat my hat if not one car makes it to the finish line.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 9 Mar 2014, 03:39 (Ref:3376617)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I volunteer to eat my hat if not one car makes it to the finish line.

Hope it tates good, either way.

wnut · 9 Mar 2014, 08:34 (Ref:3376641)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I volunteer to eat my hat if not one car makes it to the finish line.

Hi Born Racer, 58 laps in two hours, i.e. full 200 mile distance?
Is this the finish line you have in mind?

**Peter Mallett** · 9 Mar 2014, 09:23 (Ref:3376654)

This may be a good idea.

Razzzor · 9 Mar 2014, 10:23 (Ref:3376671)

I think there's a good possibility that none of the Renaults will finish, at least not RB and Lotus.

Might throw up a surprise winner or podium. I hope Mercedes don't just dominate though.

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