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Old 2 Aug 2013, 14:22 (Ref:3285027)   #1
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Ferrari P1 Rumours

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-19766.html

Just found this nice little bit compliments of End-Info .

Indeed , all the bits are there . Todt in at Fia with good connections to both ACO , and Ferrari , big names to compete against with Audi , Porsche , Toyota , Honda ..... to name a few ..... and a World status championship .


Oh , Please let it be , and please let them find away to race a 4L V12 , a screamer economically !

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We told you a few weeks ago that the Ferrari LMP1 project was not dead and a recent article by Auto Motor Und Sport puts a little oil on the fire as a possible arrival of Ferrari LMP1 in 2015 . It is still too early to reveal anything especially since we have no confirmation of such a program. We know we just think the side of Maranello. With the presence of Audi, Toyota, Porsche, Nissan, the Italian brand could find serious opponents all the new regulations could attract. Ferrari has paved the way with its 599 HY-KERS presented in 2010 at the Geneva Motor Show. There are now equipped with the new LA Ferrari HY-KERS system combining a 800 horsepower V12 with a 163 horsepower electric motor. The new Formula 1 engines could allow Ferrari to expand its presence in Endurance beyond a presence in GTE with AF Corse. We know the ties that bind and AF Corse Ferrari. Structure Amato Ferrari actually shines in LMP2 with the maintenance of Pecom Racing ORECA 03.



A decision is expected by the end of the year but 50 years after the victory of a Ferrari 250 LM 24 Hours of Le Mans, the Italian brand may well be seduced by an endurance program. Should this be the case, the World Endurance Championship this could only find up above there is a real technological challenge behind. The arrival of Porsche, Audi pursuing the Nissan project, the possible return of Alpine, the Michelin Total Performance and Endurance World Championship in place are positive signs for the future ...



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Old 2 Aug 2013, 14:58 (Ref:3285034)   #2
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This has been well discussed in the Sportscar rumours thread.
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Old 2 Aug 2013, 16:14 (Ref:3285059)   #3
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Maybe so ..... but its big enough to warrant its own thread I would suggest , from continued smoke and rumors .
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Old 2 Aug 2013, 16:33 (Ref:3285066)   #4
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I think they could do this very easily if they wanted to, as has been suggested here before, they're one of the few people who could raise enough sponsorship to pay for a large part of the program, they already have a suitable powertrain in place and they wouldn't need to divert a lot of attention from F1 or create a new team for this program, they could just have someone like AF Corse run the cars (under the Scuderia Ferrari banner).
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Old 2 Aug 2013, 16:44 (Ref:3285069)   #5
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I think they could do this very easily if they wanted to, as has been suggested here before, they're one of the few people who could raise enough sponsorship to pay for a large part of the program, they already have a suitable powertrain in place and they wouldn't need to divert a lot of attention from F1 or create a new team for this program, they could just have someone like AF Corse run the cars (under the Scuderia Ferrari banner).
I agree, and they also might need a diversion from F1 where they just keep getting their butts kicked by Red Bull.

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Old 2 Aug 2013, 17:13 (Ref:3285081)   #6
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I reckon they could do it easy . Dallara built chassis , run by AF Corse , supported by Ferrari with a decent engine .

It just takes that nod down in Modena ..... This would be wildfire news for the Championship , customers running them because of what it is (Ferrari) this could really get some spin into the whole range of championships .

The new version of the Porsche Versus Ferrari days ..... now tell me you cant market that !!!
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Old 2 Aug 2013, 17:47 (Ref:3285087)   #7
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I think they would be quite noncompetitive in the current climate. Audi has this game by the cajones, and until the ACO bring everyone (audi)back a peg or three, nothing with change.

The Petrol/Diesel equivalency needs to ironed out. Audi is far too efficient that anything less than cutting their fuel load in half, will change anything drastically.
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I think they would be quite noncompetitive in the current climate. Audi has this game by the cajones, and until the ACO bring everyone (audi)back a peg or three, nothing with change.
To say that Ferrari would be noncompetitive is almost an oxymoron. If they put their mind to it, they can build a competitive car. Of course Audi is king and it might take a few years to beat them consistently but I'm sure they could make a car that can compete. Just like Porsche won't likely beat them in year one, they will likely be competitive within a few races.

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The thing is this...if you plan on racing P1, and you want to beat Audi, it takes all of the resources you can muster. You can't half ass it the way Toyota has been.

Ferrari will not do that either. F1 is their cash cow. They could give a damn about sportscars beyond the GTE program. The 333sp was the last one, but the rules have changed to favor diesel power.
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I think they would be quite noncompetitive in the current climate. Audi has this game by the cajones, and until the ACO bring everyone (audi)back a peg or three, nothing with change.

The Petrol/Diesel equivalency needs to ironed out. Audi is far too efficient that anything less than cutting their fuel load in half, will change anything drastically.
under the current regs yes, we'll have to wait and see how the parity shakes out under the new regs.
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The thing is this...if you plan on racing P1, and you want to beat Audi, it takes all of the resources you can muster. You can't half ass it the way Toyota has been.

Ferrari will not do that either. F1 is their cash cow. They could give a damn about sportscars beyond the GTE program. The 333sp was the last one, but the rules have changed to favor diesel power.
Fiat has all the resources they need. If they want to do P1, they will do it right, not in a half-baked manner. With Audi, Porsche, Toyota et al in the class, Ferrari will not compete unless they are at a competitive level. My guess is they will either commit the resources or they won't enter P1.

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Old 2 Aug 2013, 19:25 (Ref:3285120)   #12
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We should just re-title this thread 'The Never-ending Saga of Ferrari's Return To Le Mans' now just to save confusion.
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The thing is this...if you plan on racing P1, and you want to beat Audi, it takes all of the resources you can muster. You can't half ass it the way Toyota has been.

Ferrari will not do that either. F1 is their cash cow. They could give a damn about sportscars beyond the GTE program. The 333sp was the last one, but the rules have changed to favor diesel power.
Why even waste time in the current regs? Diesel is heavily favored. For a half-assed attempt Toyota did well. Won 3 races last year and placed 2nd at LeMans this year. Throwing money at a car won't change the regs. Thats why 2014 has so many prospects because its finally close.
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The thing is this...if you plan on racing P1, and you want to beat Audi, it takes all of the resources you can muster. You can't half ass it the way Toyota has been.

Ferrari will not do that either. F1 is their cash cow. They could give a damn about sportscars beyond the GTE program. The 333sp was the last one, but the rules have changed to favor diesel power.
Toyota halfed assed it , ha haa ..... utter rubbish .

F1 is their cash cow ..... morelike cash dump .

They could give a damn ..... means they care beyond GTE .

If Ferrari do come back , they will hit the track runnin and there will be a lot more bop doled out to even up Diesel/Petrol .
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Old 2 Aug 2013, 22:08 (Ref:3285163)   #15
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I don't think it is rubbish. Why not two cars for the duration of the season? There is a ton to learn, and they aren't doing it. Ferrari make a redic. amount of money from F1 merchandise sales, and branding. We have yet to see proper BoP, Ferrari coming in won't change the equivalency. If that was the case the ACO would do something right.
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