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Old 25 Jan 2012, 23:03 (Ref:3017104)   #51
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Does someone have Kirkistown's LR. I vaguely remember reading that either McCullough or McMullan broke it either this year or last year, but I could be making that up!
According to a story on Kirkistown's website, Ivor McCullough broke the FF1600 lap record in 2011; however, the story does not mention a meeting or time. From going through the Northern Irish championship results, it would appear that McCullough's fastest time over the season was 1:01.076, set in a Van Diemen RF00 on the 26th March.
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Old 25 Jan 2012, 23:18 (Ref:3017114)   #52
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Kipper, thank you. I knew it was recently. I will put that lap time into the list; it can always be changed.
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 00:07 (Ref:3017138)   #53
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Latest list:

CircuitDriverCarLap TimeDateTyres
Anglesey CoastalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m11.179s
04/06/2009Avon
Anglesey InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m33.028s
05/06/2009Avon
Brands Hatch IndyIvor McCulloughVan Diemen RF00
49.964s
17/10/2010Avon
Brands Hatch GPPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m36.542s
24/09/2005Avon
Cadwell ParkPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m32.350s
07/08/2005Avon
Castle CombeJosh FisherMygale SJ03
1m10.511s
24/03/2008Avon
CroftNeil BoardmanVan Diemen RF91
1m29.590s
24/09/2005Avon
Croix-en-Ternois-    
Donington Park NationalJohn MurphyVan Diemen RF90
1m15.348s
15/05/2011Avon
Donington Park International-    
KirkistownIvor McCulloughVan Diemen RF00
1m01.076s
26/03/2011Avon
KnockhillGraham CarrollVan Diemen RF92
54.617s
14/09/2008Avon
Lydden-    
Mallory ParkJamie SpenceSwift SC92
47.780s
23/08/1992Dunlop
Mondello Park InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m47.495s
12/09/2009Avon
Oulton Park FostersMark ChadwickVan Diemen RF04
1m04.570s
31/03/2007Avon
Oulton Park IslandJordan SkinnerRay GRK10
1m30.594s
26/04/2010Avon
Oulton Park InternationalGavin WillsVan Diemen RF00
1m47.327s
11/10/2008Avon
Pembrey-    
Rockingham ISSCCMark WilliamsReynard 92FF
1m29.952s
23/06/2007Avon
Silverstone NationalNeville SmythRay GR07
1m02.305s
04/11/2007Avon
Silverstone Arena GPDavid WildLola T200
2m21.901s
15/05/2011Avon
Snetterton 200Stuart KestenbaumVan Diemen RF79
1m22.522s
07/05/2011Avon
Snetterton 300Benn SimmsAlexis Mk14
2m07.274s
12/06/2011Avon
ThruxtonEd MooreVan Diemen RF00
1m22.955s
28/06/2009Avon
  • Kirkistown added
  • Anglesey National removed; set a dangerous precedent.
  • Tyre manufacturer listed

Scott Malvern leads the way with 3 lap records, closely followed by Peter Dempsey and Ivor McCullough on 2. The most successful car is the Van Diemen RF00 with 4 lap records, followed by the Ray GRS08.

I'm glad everyone is finding this interesting.

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Old 26 Jan 2012, 10:34 (Ref:3017257)   #54
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Does anyone know who holds the proper Combe record from before they changed it? Vergers or Goosens I would wager, with my money leaning towards Vergers in the black bomber.
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 11:26 (Ref:3017272)   #55
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Does anyone know who holds the proper Combe record from before they changed it? Vergers or Goosens I would wager, with my money leaning towards Vergers in the black bomber.
Pre-chicanes it was Nigel Greensall in a Tyrrell 022: 50.59s on 25/08/97.

Post-chicanes it is Dan Clarke from the 2005 BF3/GT meeting.
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 11:37 (Ref:3017273)   #56
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Pre-chicanes it was Nigel Greensall in a Tyrrell 022: 50.59s on 25/08/97.

Post-chicanes it is Dan Clarke from the 2005 BF3/GT meeting.
Sorry I meant in a proper car
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 12:03 (Ref:3017286)   #57
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Ah, it was Goosens, but it got beaten by Gavin Wills in the 1998 (or 97?) Carnival. Probably a mid to high 1m03s.
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 12:46 (Ref:3017303)   #58
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Whilst it's been mentioned, Monoposto cars are often slightly tweaked in terms of standard spec, but here is the list of Mono 1600 lap records.

http://www.monoposto.co.uk/results/l...ords-mono1600/
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 19:23 (Ref:3017425)   #59
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For Lydden, you may have to go back as far as David Hardisty in the Astrarech / BARC FF1600 - best I have seen is 43.6 Van Diemen RF90 10/09/95.
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Old 26 Jan 2012, 23:29 (Ref:3017535)   #60
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I have a 43.5 lap at lydden back in '97 but i think the record is 43.3. I'll dig through some old lap charts if i can find them. Pretty sure the 43.3 was Neale Blunden in a Reynard, early '97 Kent County round.
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Old 27 Jan 2012, 12:10 (Ref:3017746)   #61
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I'd be interested to know how the average speeds compare if anyone has that. Would have thought Thruxton fastest with Mallory up there as well.
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Old 27 Jan 2012, 13:02 (Ref:3017768)   #62
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About Mallory, when the back of the exit kerb at the Esses was removed the circuit lost about 2 tenths on a like for like basis, the previous ability to straighten up earlier carried more revs into the Hairpin. With a historic FF the time dropped from 49.6 to 49.8. The recent resurfacing made the circuit incredibly fast for a short time - 49.0 in a historic (!) but it seemed to have settled back through the year, except the new surface seems more affected by outside influences - ambient temperature, drifting, motorcycle racing, oil etc - than the old surface was
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About Mallory, when the back of the exit kerb at the Esses was removed the circuit lost about 2 tenths on a like for like basis, the previous ability to straighten up earlier carried more revs into the Hairpin. With a historic FF the time dropped from 49.6 to 49.8. The recent resurfacing made the circuit incredibly fast for a short time - 49.0 in a historic (!) but it seemed to have settled back through the year, except the new surface seems more affected by outside influences - ambient temperature, drifting, motorcycle racing, oil etc - than the old surface was
Totally aggree with that, you used to able to run the whole car over the kerb on the left of the esses, now its so narrow and aggressive you can barley use it all. Can you remember when it was removed? had a feeling it was still there in 2009
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About Mallory, when the back of the exit kerb at the Esses was removed the circuit lost about 2 tenths on a like for like basis, the previous ability to straighten up earlier carried more revs into the Hairpin. With a historic FF the time dropped from 49.6 to 49.8. The recent resurfacing made the circuit incredibly fast for a short time - 49.0 in a historic (!) but it seemed to have settled back through the year, except the new surface seems more affected by outside influences - ambient temperature, drifting, motorcycle racing, oil etc - than the old surface was
Thanks Simon for backing up what I was referring to in post #25
If there is a difference at Mallory, surely these types of differences would apply at all circuits.
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Totally aggree with that, you used to able to run the whole car over the kerb on the left of the esses, now its so narrow and aggressive you can barley use it all. Can you remember when it was removed? had a feeling it was still there in 2009
Surely if you go to Mallory, you go to race at Mallory, and not merely at those parts of the circuit that happen to suit you? I'd replace kerbs with vertical concrete walls, thus forcing drivers to stay on the designated path.

The late Tony Lanfranchi always used to state that the best way to prevent accidents at Paddock Bend at Brands Hatch would have been to install horizontal pointed steel spikes facing outwards towards the tarmaced racing surface; I'm not sure he was wrong.
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The late Tony Lanfranchi always used to state that the best way to prevent accidents at Paddock Bend at Brands Hatch would have been to install horizontal pointed steel spikes facing outwards towards the tarmaced racing surface; I'm not sure he was wrong.
Exactly the same thing that Richard Peacock used to say about curbing bravery at Aintree's Country Corner. He still uses the same line today about 'too brave drivers' at many corners on many circuits.
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According to a story on Kirkistown's website, Ivor McCullough broke the FF1600 lap record in 2011; however, the story does not mention a meeting or time. From going through the Northern Irish championship results, it would appear that McCullough's fastest time over the season was 1:01.076, set in a Van Diemen RF00 on the 26th March.
Josh, This is correct.
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Josh, This is correct.
Cheers Noel. Thanks for the confirmation.
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A quick thought about circuits that could be included within the list: both Phoenix Park and Bishopscourt are provisionally scheduled to hold race meetings in 2012. I've no idea regarding lap records for either venue though...
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Josh,
The Kirkistown lap record can be updated. Jonny McMullan broke the record today with a time of 1:01.023.
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Cheers Noel, I'll do it tomorrow when I have my computer at hand. Congratulations to Jonny, what car was he in?
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Cheers Noel, I'll do it tomorrow when I have my computer at hand. Congratulations to Jonny, what car was he in?
'89 Mondial. As far as I can see John Stewart broke the pre '87 record as well with a 62.8 something in an 84 Reynard. Both cars prepared and run by John Harris.
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Cheers SAMD.

McMullan's lap record has now been added to the updated list. If anyone can confirm Thruxton for me before this June's Ian Taylor Trophy that'd be brilliant. Pat Blakeney sometimes posts on here (VectorPat?) so maybe he could help...

CircuitDriverCarLap TimeDateTyres
Anglesey CoastalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m11.179s
04/06/2009Avon
Anglesey InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m33.028s
05/06/2009Avon
Brands Hatch IndyIvor McCulloughVan Diemen RF00
49.964s
17/10/2010Avon
Brands Hatch GPPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m36.542s
24/09/2005Avon
Cadwell ParkPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m32.350s
07/08/2005Avon
Castle CombeJosh FisherMygale SJ03
1m10.511s
24/03/2008Avon
CroftNeil BoardmanVan Diemen RF91
1m29.590s
24/09/2005Avon
Croix-en-Ternois-    
Donington Park NationalJohn MurphyVan Diemen RF90
1m15.348s
15/05/2011Avon
Donington Park International-    
KirkistownJonny McMullanMondial M89
1m01.023s
31/03/2012Avon
KnockhillGraham CarrollVan Diemen RF92
54.617s
14/09/2008Avon
Lydden-    
Mallory ParkJamie SpenceSwift SC92
47.780s
23/08/1992Dunlop
Mondello Park InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m47.495s
12/09/2009Avon
Oulton Park FostersMark ChadwickVan Diemen RF04
1m04.570s
31/03/2007Avon
Oulton Park IslandJordan SkinnerRay GRK10
1m30.594s
26/04/2010Avon
Oulton Park InternationalGavin WillsVan Diemen RF00
1m47.327s
11/10/2008Avon
Pembrey-    
Rockingham ISSCCMark WilliamsReynard 92FF
1m29.952s
23/06/2007Avon
Silverstone NationalNeville SmythRay GR07
1m02.305s
04/11/2007Avon
Silverstone Arena GPDavid WildLola T200
2m21.901s
15/05/2011Avon
Snetterton 200Stuart KestenbaumVan Diemen RF79
1m22.522s
07/05/2011Avon
Snetterton 300Benn SimmsAlexis Mk14
2m07.274s
12/06/2011Avon
ThruxtonEd MooreVan Diemen RF00
1m22.955s
28/06/2009Avon
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Hi Josh,

I have an update for your list regarding the Snetterton 200 record.

We had a Classic FF1600 Double Header this weekend and 5 Drivers went under the old record with Mike Gardner recording a 1min 21.121 on Saturday 7th April 2012 in a Van Diemen RF80.

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Cheers Andrew.

Here is the updated table with the new Snetterton 200 lap record.

CircuitDriverCarLap TimeDateTyres
Anglesey CoastalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m11.179s
04/06/2009Avon
Anglesey InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m33.028s
05/06/2009Avon
Brands Hatch IndyIvor McCulloughVan Diemen RF00
49.964s
17/10/2010Avon
Brands Hatch GPPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m36.542s
24/09/2005Avon
Cadwell ParkPeter DempseySwift SC92
1m32.350s
07/08/2005Avon
Castle CombeJosh FisherMygale SJ03
1m10.511s
24/03/2008Avon
CroftNeil BoardmanVan Diemen RF91
1m29.590s
24/09/2005Avon
Croix-en-Ternois-    
Donington Park NationalJohn MurphyVan Diemen RF90
1m15.348s
15/05/2011Avon
Donington Park International-    
KirkistownJonny McMullanMondial M89
1m01.023s
31/03/2012Avon
KnockhillGraham CarrollVan Diemen RF92
54.617s
14/09/2008Avon
Lydden-    
Mallory ParkJamie SpenceSwift SC92
47.780s
23/08/1992Dunlop
Mondello Park InternationalScott MalvernRay GRS08
1m47.495s
12/09/2009Avon
Oulton Park FostersMark ChadwickVan Diemen RF04
1m04.570s
31/03/2007Avon
Oulton Park IslandJordan SkinnerRay GRK10
1m30.594s
26/04/2010Avon
Oulton Park InternationalGavin WillsVan Diemen RF00
1m47.327s
11/10/2008Avon
Pembrey-    
Rockingham ISSCCMark WilliamsReynard 92FF
1m29.952s
23/06/2007Avon
Silverstone NationalNeville SmythRay GR07
1m02.305s
04/11/2007Avon
Silverstone Arena GPDavid WildLola T200
2m21.901s
15/05/2011Avon
Snetterton 200Mike GardnerVan Diemen RF80
1m21.121s
07/04/2012Avon
Snetterton 300Benn SimmsAlexis Mk14
2m07.274s
12/06/2011Avon
ThruxtonEd MooreVan Diemen RF00
1m22.955s
28/06/2009Avon

How many more lap records can be broken in 2012?
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