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Old 10 Oct 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3856004)   #166
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That's what David Coulthard said, Vettel was going too fast into the corner.
At least too fast to leave a car width of space on the outside.
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 23:06 (Ref:3856012)   #167
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 23:13 (Ref:3856015)   #168
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Well that says it all. Kimi defending Max, saying it was a tricky situation
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Old 11 Oct 2018, 00:22 (Ref:3856025)   #169
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Well that says it all. Kimi defending Max, saying it was a tricky situation
Oh.Well then, that's that, ehhh?

Not for me. 'Very diplomatic "defense"...

From the same:

"But it was obviously a bit of an odd situation where we ended up. I don't think he purposefully tried to hit anybody, but this is what happened."

Raikkonen did not seem too angry about what Verstappen did at the chicane, although is clear that he would have liked to have been given a bit more room.

"I tried to go outside and leave as much as I could," added the Finn. "But he obviously came kind of off the track over the grass kerb part.

"Maybe he could not turn more, and maybe he just ended up there. In an ideal world, he should have left a bit more. But I don't know…"

Anywho, on to the USA...

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Old 11 Oct 2018, 00:29 (Ref:3856026)   #170
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It is Formula 1, after all.
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Old 11 Oct 2018, 19:05 (Ref:3856145)   #171
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Seemed a very measured and fair response to me.
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Old 11 Oct 2018, 19:09 (Ref:3856147)   #172
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Old 11 Oct 2018, 19:22 (Ref:3856151)   #173
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Seemed a very measured and fair response to me.
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By a man who has no interest in bickering in public.
My pernt exackly. I think that was as much animosity I would (nay, not would, do) expect from Kimi.
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Old 20 Oct 2018, 00:51 (Ref:3857833)   #174
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Anndddddd once again this season Vettel has fluffed it. Add it to the long list including France, Germany and Monza.
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Yep once again. I'd consider replacing Vettel with someone like Ricciardo, or bring Alonso back. Sebs making too many mistakes. His championship years were plagued with mistakes as well, but he got away with them with a bit of luck.
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Indeed. A lineup of Alonso and Ricciardo would be ideal, with Leclerc placed at HAAS until Alonso decides to retire or is too slow and Ferrari "retires" him (as they do).

To think, IIRC, that both Ferrari drivers were out of contract and Ferrari have messed up their chance to secure this solid and trusty lineup.
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Is it too hasty to say Ferrari sent the wrong driver to Sauber?
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..Vettel then throws it all away with a rash move.
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Without pressure Vettel had good races. When it turned out that Mercedes were playing catch up quickly Ferrari and Vettel both got nervous and it all went down to drain..
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Vettee messed up again.
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I will pile on and agree that under pressure Vettel just makes mistakes.
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A few races ago it looked like Ferrari had the quicker car and Vettel driving well. Then he started driving poorly and the tram lost their advantage.
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Vettel is quick but he doesn't seem to have the mental strength to put a championship season together.

I think Ferrari should bite the bullet and get Alonso back on board for a couple of seasons.
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How many accidents has Hamilton had this season due to impetuous decisions and/or brainfade?

How many points has Vettel thrown away because of it?
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Vettel could be and should be less than 25 points behind with all to play for.
He's proving to be Ferrari's weak link.
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Vettel may occasionally keep a cool head, but there's been little evidence of that in recent races.
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Japan was a classic example of Vettel's innate ability to panic.

Everybody knows a Ferrari,particularly with DRS, will destroy a Red Bull/Renault in a straight line. Apparently Vettel doesn't.
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Vettel panics too much when things don’t go his way.
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I'm trying to remember, if Vettel was like this when he was with RBR, panicking and making these rash judgments; we've seen it several times the year and I think it has cost him the WDC.
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Turkey 2010, with Webber. Multi 21 in Malaysia 2013, with Webber.

There's just two rash decisions - both precipitated by being put under pressure, just by a teammate rather than a rival. Granted, not in a red car, but his history of rash decisions started in an RBR.
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I was having a conversation with a work colleague today, and we both thought that Vettel performances over the last two seasons have somewhat tarnished his reputation.

He should be within touch of Hamilton, as he should have been last season. One Mercedes DNF should be enough for him to be back in with a realistic chance of the title. Instead, he is looking at another season where it has slipped away, largely due to the increasingly long list of his own errors.
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Assuming they have another fast car next year,the only way Ferrari are going to beat Mercedes and Hamilton is to stick Alonso, Verstappen or maybe Ricciardo in the car.Alonso is available for goodness sake and probably wouldn't want a huge salary either....just the opportunity.

If that doesn't sit well with Vettel I'd just say "Prove us wrong".
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Vettel has been a great driver but he's cracked under pressure recently. If Ferrari have any sense, they'll give Leclerc his head next season and won't make him play second fiddle.
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I agree with it but still would argue that while some mistakes are down to overdriving the car (especially those in quali), Vettel should keep his cool more in the infight situations. It's not that he cannot overtake but sometime he gets overanxious.
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I'd have had more sympathy for Vettel if he'd just held his hands up and admitted it was a rash move on his part. He'd have had Max's guts for bright red garters had the roles been reversed....
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Max was entitled to take the line (IMO) and Vettel really has to wise up to the fact that other drivers (well some, anyway) just aren't going to jump out of his way any more because he's a former WDC and is driving a bright red car.
So much hate for Vettel in here!

And here I was thinking I was the only one who has always believed Vettel is overrated!??
Good to know that there's one or two more out there.

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Old 23 Oct 2018, 19:08 (Ref:3858665)   #175
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It's not hate at all. Nor is anyone saying that Vettel is overrated. You quoted me and I certainly didn't say that. I do believe that his desperation to keep the title fight alive has caused his racecraft to suffer but you're putting so many eggs in the pudding that you won't need to visit the little boy's room for a week.......
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Hmm, I like the fact you spent all that time digging up those posts. Not that I agree with your conclusion.

Or maybe it wasn’t hard. Probably just a quick search for “Vettel” in the F1 forum. Then cherry pick any single negative comment by frequent posters. How about a deeper analysis. Per member, ranked by posts count.. Negative, neutral and positive post about Vettel. That might be an interesting read. Where might you fit in that ranking?

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So much hate for Vettel in here!

And here I was thinking I was the only one who has always believed Vettel is overrated!??
Good to know that there's one or two more out there.

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Hmm, I like the fact you spent all that time digging up those posts. Not that I agree with your conclusion.

Or maybe it wasn’t hard. Probably just a quick search for “Vettel” in the F1 forum. Then cherry pick any single negative comment by frequent posters. How about a deeper analysis. Per member, ranked by posts count.. Negative, neutral and positive post about Vettel. That might be an interesting read. Where might you fit in that ranking?

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I would suggest that the positive Vettel posts would be a short list ....
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So much hate for Vettel in here!

And here I was thinking I was the only one who has always believed Vettel is overrated!??
Good to know that there's one or two more out there.

Oh stop it, you're just getting ahead of yourself, again...
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I would suggest that the positive Vettel posts would be a short list ....

Careful, it's not feeding time for at least a couple of hours yet........
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