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View Poll Results: Who do you rate as the team of the Russian Grand Prix?
Mercedes 7 33.33%
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Old 2 Oct 2018, 09:57 (Ref:3853995)   #31
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If you go to a race and instead of watching cars race you see a shameful incident where someone not actually racing decides who wins then you have the right to call it what it is "SHAMEFUL".
On July 21st, Lewis Hamilton posted this 'We win as we lose together as a team.'

If he can accept that Toto Wolff is part of the racing team, why should we exclude him from those who are actually racing?
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Old 2 Oct 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3853999)   #32
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If you go to a race and instead of watching cars race you see a shameful incident where someone not actually racing decides who wins then you have the right to call it what it is "SHAMEFUL". If it is legal or not it does not change that fact. I suspect that Mercedes are not happy with the coverage they got over this race, which if they had not "legally Cheated" would have been seen as a great result. If like me you go to motor racing to actually see cars race then i can simply not understand how you can accept the actions of this type, if you stand up and cry "foul" then perhaps something can be done to punish those that do it.
I totally get that. You're not wrong. But Mercedes don't care. This will blow over like every other incident, and by the end of the year we'll have forgotten. Maybe a few of us hardcore fans here will remember, but Mercedes are selling cars - the customers know they won the title. There isn't an asterisk beside it.

Small bit of pain to aim for a bigger goal as far as TW is concerned.
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Old 2 Oct 2018, 12:59 (Ref:3854025)   #33
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I know this has nothing to do with Ferrari, but as itís a DISCUSSION forum, are we not allowed to have an opionion on team orders, compare it to orders in the past and be able to praise a team manager for making the correct call for the team, and being completely open about it, rather than trying to hide the call and treat the fans as mugs, as has happened before?

As for the blister, you can see a small blister appearing on the left rear of Lewisís car as highlighted by the commentators and DC at the time.
Of course one can have an opinion on team orders.

As for the blister, DC said at the time he couldn't see any visible signs of a blister.
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Old 2 Oct 2018, 13:20 (Ref:3854029)   #34
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Of course one can have an opinion on team orders.

As for the blister, DC said at the time he couldn't see any visible signs of a blister.
I remember seeing a piece where they said that they could see a blister, albeit small. think it was in post race analysis

anyway, heres a pretty well balanced article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45716086
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....if you stand up and cry "foul" then perhaps something can be done to punish those that do it.
No chance. There was no foul so no punishment can follow - unless the FIA decide to do something about prohibiting team orders. In the absence of that, it will continue, whether overtly or otherwise.

As I've said several times already, I'm dead against team orders, however all the time that it is legal for a team manager to impose them, he or she will when the need arises. There's nothing to be gained by frothing at the mouth over it.......
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Old 2 Oct 2018, 15:57 (Ref:3854085)   #36
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i recall that Lauda was very adamant against teams orders (after multi 21 gate i think) and it was essentially a philosophy that continued through the LH vs NR seasons (with some minor hiccups of course).

even last year (Hungary 2017?) VB was asked to move over for LH to try to take it to the Ferrari race leaders but ultimately came up short so gave the place back to VB before the end of the race.

anyways, i wonder how differently the decision would have played out if Lauda had been healthy enough to be in attendance?
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No chance. There was no foul so no punishment can follow - unless the FIA decide to do something about prohibiting team orders. In the absence of that, it will continue, whether overtly or otherwise.

As I've said several times already, I'm dead against team orders, however all the time that it is legal for a team manager to impose them, he or she will when the need arises. There's nothing to be gained by frothing at the mouth over it.......
Well if you are against it then shout and shout loud otherwise it will continue, make the people doing it aware that it belittles the team, the manufacturer and the drivers, rolling over and saying it is ok will mean Motorsport is the loser. As F! struggles to attract sponsorship and loses out to other sports the organisers will eventually need to clean up otherwise they will lose money, and that, above all else will change their minds.
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Where would I shout Simon? Here? Write to my MP? Write to Jean Todt or Toto Woolf?
Rest assured the people at Mercedes and at the top in F! monitor things and if they see it is effecting their business they will take note, both will have teams of people employed to see how people react to questionable things and will react if they think it is in their best interest.
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OK. But I guess they've got that point already. Whether it will make a jot of difference at the next GP if Bottas is in front of Hamilton - I doubt. Unless Vettel is already out, perhaps.....
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no doubt twitter outrage can force a company to change their approach.

that said, LH is immensely popular among the twitter brigade (i think he has twice as many followers as the Merc f1 team feed). so i suspect most of the tweets are in favour of Merc supporting their favorite driver.
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I remember seeing a piece where they said that they could see a blister, albeit small. think it was in post race analysis

anyway, heres a pretty well balanced article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45716086
Maybe DC changed his mind?
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i recall that Lauda was very adamant against teams orders (after multi 21 gate i think) and it was essentially a philosophy that continued through the LH vs NR seasons (with some minor hiccups of course).
Interestingly enough, in that very race, Hamilton got third place due to Mercedes team orders telling them to hold position.
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Interestingly enough, in that very race, Hamilton got third place due to Mercedes team orders telling them to hold position.
i forgot about that part!
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