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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:25 (Ref:3725569)   #271
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If the public knew of these alterations back when they were done (Jan 20th) then people could have gone into the Brands meeting with that information so therefore any performances could be explained "better".
Has it been confirmed that the late changes Plato is referring to are actually the TOCA imposed CoG adjustments - or could they be something else.

If the public had been paying close attention, then they would have known in November last year that this change would be imposed on the car.
4 Nov 16 - 'At a recent team managers' meeting, representatives of the other outfits on the grid voted in favour of series bosses coming up with a formula to level out the centre of gravity.

Team principal Scott said he was disappointed by the decision, but recognised that this had been done at the behest of rival squads.'


Then BMR technicians would have received the specific calculations following the Design Group meeting in January. The exact details of which the general public have no need to be aware of unless they are building an NGTC car themselves. They recognised this in their team's statement 'the balance of performance applied to us over the winter break has had a big effect'

On the Wednesday, a calculation in favour of Subaru was applied. After this Plato's exact comments are:
'A curveball came in in the week before Brands Hatch. We could not get the cars working properly at all. There were some adjustments late to the cars and now we’re working out how to try to make them work. But the new settings we’ve had to run have thrown a spanner in the works for the time being.'
What he doesn't say is where this curveball has come from, and what 'settings' they now have to run. These could be from RML, TOCA, Dunlop, Subaru or even identified within the team as something that needs to be done for safety or reliability purposes.
Or, perhaps he wasn't aware of the changes over the winter and was only made aware of them in the week before the event, which means it is a miscommunication within the team?

Whichever way, this weekend is definitely shaping up as being one to watch for how all of the Manufacturer entries run.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:30 (Ref:3725575)   #272
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A possibility might be that the team had their 2016 data (tyres, suspension etc) and felt that the biggest change to the car might come in the weight distribution and not the new tyres. Therefore, any testing they did may have been carried out with 2016 tyres, and it is the rubber that has caused the discrepancy (which they only put on for the first time on the Wednesday before Brands)?
Do the new tyres bring with them a new wheel/brake package?
Im not 100% sure, I'm assuming the wheels are tad wider to accommodate the wider rubber (great bit of business for Rimstock if so as they would have had a few hundred wheels to sell) but I don't think I've seen any mention of a bigger diameter so guessing they're still 18". We know there's been changes with the hubs, presumably to deal with the change in offset of the wheels but again that doesn't necessarily mean new brakes.

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I don't think that's entirely fair. They had been tested, just not with that car. For development work there was no need to use all four cars; they could just test with one or two, which they did. Since there was no major change in livery and/or sponsor, there was no need to strip the previous year's livery off and test in plain colours.
It just seemed out of character that's all, most teams strip the cars down regardless of livery changes just to start afresh or to repair bodywork etc and all four cars looked to be fully stickered up in the workshop photos suggesting not a lot had been done to them.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:37 (Ref:3725579)   #273
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Whichever way, this weekend is definitely shaping up as being one to watch for how all of the Manufacturer entries run.
Absolutely! And I get the feeling if Plato isn't up the order by race 3 there's gonna be a few words exchanged (most likely in the heat of the moment).

From what others have since 888 is now essentially BKR (with Ian Harrison hanging around like a bad smell) and has become Warren's junior squad I don't think they're being expected to perform as well as the other manufacturers. But if BMR can't pull through and start winning I think heads will start to roll.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:37 (Ref:3725580)   #274
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Im not 100% sure, I'm assuming the wheels are tad wider to accommodate the wider rubber (great bit of business for Rimstock if so as they would have had a few hundred wheels to sell) but I don't think I've seen any mention of a bigger diameter so guessing they're still 18". We know there's been changes with the hubs, presumably to deal with the change in offset of the wheels but again that doesn't necessarily mean new brakes.
It was confirmed on the Brands TV coverage that the wheels are the same size as they were previously.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:52 (Ref:3725584)   #275
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Fair do's, must just have a squarer profile (vs a slight stretch) of tyre to fit to the rim as there's a limit to how much wider you can go with a tyre before you need a wider rim.
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It was confirmed on the Brands TV coverage that the wheels are the same size as they were previously.
I guess they must have already been on a j10 wheel then.

The old tyres 245/650R18 had a range of J8.5-J10.
The new tyres 265/660R18 have a range of J10-J11.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 19:45 (Ref:3725599)   #277
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Totally moving away from BMR, I stumbled across these pictures this morning...An MG I actually like. Would make a very smart BTCC car too...



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Old 11 Apr 2017, 20:52 (Ref:3725618)   #278
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:01 (Ref:3725621)   #279
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Is there an internal competition every couple of years at Honda to see how much lumpier and uglier they can make the next Civic?
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:45 (Ref:3725631)   #280
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Is there an internal competition every couple of years at Honda to see how much lumpier and uglier they can make the next Civic?
In seriousness, I think it comes down to how to make a FWD hatchback as fast as possible. The same sort of thing was seen with the Evo from about mk5 onwards, to the extreme of having a 'sharks tooth rear vortex generation disperser'!
Each lump and bump is similar to every wing/fin/winglet/finlet/element that are now seen on F1 cars.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:47 (Ref:3725632)   #281
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So many elements of that will be lost in turning it into NGTC spec.
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 00:33 (Ref:3725649)   #282
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At least it looks nice from the front.
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 08:26 (Ref:3725711)   #283
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Whilst I love the fact they've gone back to a more traditional 90's hatchback profile with a longer bonnet compared to the MPV-esk look of the EP, FN and FK, there are certain elements that look fussy and over designed and then areas that look unfinished like the rear arch extension which could have been made to look a load better with a simple trim piece grafted to the edge of the rear door.

Unfortunately as a global car it's had too much influence from the American design department and lost some of the purity that would have resulted from a UK/Japan led design.

And no modern Type R is a patch on the original EK9 and DC2, the whole ethos of a lightweight bare bones car with a race-derived engine has been lost to a sea of bells and whistles! (The closest thing on the market right now is the Golf Clubsport but even then at £40+ they're still a luxury item).

It'll make a great looking Touring car that's for sure (I'm still disappointed that they're not running it this year seeing as they managed to be able to use the FK Type R a few months early) but as it'll be bigger it may lose some of the nimble characteristics of the FK.
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At least it looks nice from the front.
I think Dynamics won't want many people seeing the front of it though - they'll be interested in people having to stare at the back end all race.
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Dick Bennets mentioned on TTT that a team in the paddock is complaining about the BMW start advantage


any idea ? as we can exclude Plato and BMR
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