[Driver] Ricciardo - Verstappen Battle

[RWill2073]

You can kind of tell both probably felt they took it too far with their measured quotes afterward. Plus no harsh words for the other. Was nice to see they stayed above all that. If kne was clearly at fault though, I think there would have been more said post race.

[Adam43]

I thought that. It is good to see.

[M91]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

while Verstappen has now earned the nickname Crashtappen lol.

He earned that nickname a long time ago

[F1Pete]

Lots of people criticizing Verstappen. F1 would be in a much poorer state without him. He is generating of excitement and stir every race. He is always aggressive and fearless....a true racer. He is the last guy that anyone would want to follow because he is a master at defending position. He is the last guy you want behind you because he is fearless/dangerous and will make a move. Even I am scared of him when I see him on the track. There is no playing chicken with this guy and F1 needs a driver like this to keep things exciting. I am so tired of driver's whining about someone being unfair or too aggressive. It is a race isn't it? Verstappen is a talented guy, no doubt about it. He has had a little bad luck where things haven't went his way, but that is racing. At least he is not sitting back waiting for things to happen. He makes it happen and no one can disagree with that.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Lots of people criticizing Verstappen. F1 would be in a much poorer state without him. He is generating of excitement and stir every race. He is always aggressive and fearless....a true racer. He is the last guy that anyone would want to follow because he is a master at defending position. He is the last guy you want behind you because he is fearless/dangerous and will make a move. Even I am scared of him when I see him on the track. There is no playing chicken with this guy and F1 needs a driver like this to keep things exciting. I am so tired of driver's whining about someone being unfair or too aggressive. It is a race isn't it? Verstappen is a talented guy, no doubt about it. He has had a little bad luck where things haven't went his way, but that is racing. At least he is not sitting back waiting for things to happen. He makes it happen and no one can disagree with that.

You've described Ricciardo in bold there.

Verstappen has those capabilities, but he is unrefined and lacks polish and patience.

However RBR don't mind, as the old saying goes - you can tidy up speed, but you can't speed up tidiness.

[peterelise]

Originally Posted by Skam85

You've described Ricciardo in bold there.



Verstappen has those capabilities, but he is unrefined and lacks polish and patience.



However RBR don't mind, as the old saying goes - you can tidy up speed, but you can't speed up tidiness.

Exactly. Verstappen undoubtedly great for fans and is an absolute pleasure to watch, right up until he does the double change of direction in defence. I even loved his attempt at a bold move around the outside of Hamilton on a fast corner with marbles. I watch those things unfolding and can’t believe how unrefined and impulsive he is. As he lined up Hamilton in China I sat there completely disbelieving he thought that was going to work. Hamilton didn’t even need to escort him off the track, he lost the back all by himself and went to do some lawn mowing... Still it is hugely entertaining and as we know he is the same guy capable of races like Brazil 2016. Having said that, one wonders how his reputation would be if the Brazil race had ended in the wall coming up the hill as it so nearly did. It would have confirmed all the current views that he still needs more experience and some tempering of his natural desire to push to the limit all the time (which of course is why he is so entertaining to watch).


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[S griffin]

What was it Rosberg said? He hates it when Max has to retire, because then the race is suddenly less exciting

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by peterelise

Exactly. Verstappen undoubtedly great for fans and is an absolute pleasure to watch, right up until he does the double change of direction in defence. I even loved his attempt at a bold move around the outside of Hamilton on a fast corner with marbles. I watch those things unfolding and can’t believe how unrefined and impulsive he is. As he lined up Hamilton in China I sat there completely disbelieving he thought that was going to work. Hamilton didn’t even need to escort him off the track, he lost the back all by himself and went to do some lawn mowing... Still it is hugely entertaining and as we know he is the same guy capable of races like Brazil 2016. Having said that, one wonders how his reputation would be if the Brazil race had ended in the wall coming up the hill as it so nearly did. It would have confirmed all the current views that he still needs more experience and some tempering of his natural desire to push to the limit all the time (which of course is why he is so entertaining to watch).


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Agreed, he’s very entertaining, of that there’s no doubt. On the Brazil 2016 race, that was one of those Senna Donington 93 type drives, a once in a generation kind of thing.

Unfortunately for Max I feel he’s been riding those coat tails of that particular performance ever since, and he needs to take a small step back and realise not every race will be like that where he will be on another level to everyone else. Once he begins to respect his competitors and get a bit more patience, those moves will start to stick more. Baku may be a turning point, but I still think he’ll have a few more incidents before he gets more polish.

[S griffin]

I think the problem with Max in China was he was trying to win, which is why he made a couple of rash moves. Whilst Ricciardo was dealing with one position at a time and as a result got the win. That’s the difference

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by M91

He earned that nickname a long time ago

Earned? Not sure about that. I suspect the initial label on here had nothing to do with it being 'earned'...... (in an unbiased sense).

[peterelise]

Great read in this piece from Mark Hughes (hopefully link works)

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...1M6883,107P4,1

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Earned? Not sure about that. I suspect the initial label on here had nothing to do with it being 'earned'...... (in an unbiased sense).

He wears it with pride.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

There is no playing chicken with this guy and F1 needs a driver like this to keep things exciting. I am so tired of driver's whining about someone being unfair or too aggressive. It is a race isn't it?

Yes, it is a race. And motorsport is dangerous. It is important competitors respect each other and look out for the safety of their fellow drivers and themselves.

Verstappen shows no such respect -- it's a worry.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by FAS33

He wears it with pride.

And you can bask in the 'glory' of giving to him........

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

And you can bask in the 'glory' of giving to him........

And in being the only one using it.....

[Aysedasi]

Well, we always knew that FAS was unique......

[F1Guy]

PU component usage pre Spanish GP.

Looks like Red Bull have Verstappen sorted for the year then. Sorry Daniel, we just can't have you out shining our golden boy.

[Skam85]

"Max knows now – when the next incident occurs, the blame is automatically on him, whether he can help it or not, because he's been involved in so many collisions lately," said Marko."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...appen-1035441/

Helmut goes bang!

[S griffin]

So Max better keep his hooter clean in Spain, otherwise he’s only holding himself back

[GT6]

Rikki on Pole Max starts at the back, now wonder who is on for a bonus this year

[S griffin]

What a shame Max made that unnecessary mistake. We have been denied the prospect of two RBR drivers going at it for pole

[F1Guy]

Hemet Marko: "He has to learn not always to drive flat out. They are all different incidents but this one for sure is a very unnecessary one.

"I think he is not patient enough. He wants always to prove he is the fastest but the result is only when you cross the line. He needs to be more patient, judge the situations better.

"Issue is maybe not the right word. It is always a different situation but they are all because he is impatient."


Strong words from a man who has previously fired his drivers for much less. And for much less pay.

[F1Guy]

An interesting read from the Telegraph below.

Max Verstappen a study in torment as latest crash earns Red Bull scolding while Daniel Ricciardo claims Monaco pole
By Oliver Brown, Chief Sports Feature Writer, Monte Carlo

Seldom in Formula One have two team-mates conveyed a starker contrast of emotions. While Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo flashed that magnetic Australian smile, having surged to pole position with the fastest lap ever recorded around the streets of Monte Carlo, Max Verstappen was a study in torment, after a sixth crash in six race weekends relegated him to dead last on the grid.

A stellar young driver the Dutchman might be, but in the depths of his latest humiliation, he looked like a scolded schoolboy.

Where Ricciardo took a congratulatory phone call on the tarmac from Dietrich Mateschitz, Red Bull’s secretive billionaire owner, after a blistering lap of 1min 11.810sec, Verstappen received a firm warning from team principal Christian Horner that patience was wearing thin.

The bald truth is that Verstappen is making far too many mistakes to be tolerated much longer. The ill-tempered flick of the hand with which Dr Helmut Marko, the redoubtable sporting director, dismissed him from the garage spoke volumes. There is a palpable sense, after a series of avoidable smashes this season, that his employers are tired of listening to his excuses.

Ricciardo, conversely, did not disguise his delight after only the second pole of his career – even if he acknowledged that the job was “only 50 per cent done”. The memory remains raw of his experience here in 2016, when he started from the front, only to have the chance of victory snatched away by a pit-stop mix-up, where his tyres were not ready in time.

He still faces a daunting task here to deliver a win on Sunday afternoon, finding himself in a pincer movement between two four-time world champions, with Sebastian Vettel alongside him on the front row and Lewis Hamilton directly behind him in third. For Vettel, there was a certain relief, with the FIA deciding not to impose any penalty on Ferrari after an investigation into whether the Italian team’s engines were producing an illegal power boost.

For Verstappen, though, the inquest goes on. The Dutchman, who turns 21 in September, has had four F1 drives in Monte Carlo and crashed every time. Worryingly, he seems not to have learned from any of them. His misjudgment on Saturday was almost an exact replica of his error here in 2016, right down to the kerb where he wobbled and the barrier into which his car careered.

Opting for one last run in third practice, he veered off course in trying to clear the Renault of Carlos Sainz, clipping the inside wall at the swimming pool chicane, an impact that broke the steering and propelled him into the steel barriers on the opposite side.

He cut a crestfallen figure, but this was less an aberration than part of a trend. Remarkably, Verstappen has now damaged or written off his Red Bull six times in a row. For a team with legitimate Championship ambitions, whose superiority is most pronounced here on the Cote d’Azur, this is unconscionable. Horner did not tone down his frustration, pointing out that Verstappen’s lapse was both careless and wholly unnecessary.

“This place bites, and Max got bitten pretty hard in a session that doesn’t really count for anything, other than setting the car up,” Horner said. “He’s in a car that’s capable of winning this grand prix. He needs to learn from it and stop making these mistakes. He knows that more than anybody, and I imagine it was a pretty painful qualifying for him, watching what could have been.”

Despite the car’s shredded front section, Red Bull’s mechanics toiled gamely to complete the repairs in the two-hour window before qualifying began, ultimately to no avail. As if all this frantic drama were not galling enough for Verstappen, he was given a five-place grid penalty for a gearbox change, the only saving grace being that he starts at the back in any case. He was in a truculent mood on Saturday evening, saying: “It’s not right that it happened.”

Still, he would accept blame for just two of the six incidents in which he has been embroiled in 2018. Besides this latest brain-fade, he took responsibility only for his collision with Sebastian Vettel in Shanghai last month, which had prompted Horner to urge him to take more care. Increasingly, it appears the message is failing to filter through.

As it stands, Verstappen is still an untouchable property, who has only recently signed a three-year contract extension at Red Bull. He won two of the final four races last year and has become the figure around whom the team are planning their future. But Marko is notorious for having a ruthless streak: in 2016, Russia’s Daniil Kvyat was demoted to Toro Rosso, Red Bull’s second team, after a sequence of blunders. At this rate, Verstappen risks the same exemplary punishment.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-...atest-updates/

As I've said before, if it wasn't for his over hyped win in Spain 2016, would Verstappen still be on the F1 grid today? Take away that win on debut with Red Bull (which was Ricciardo's win, but the team stitched DR up for a feel good F1 headline), and I think it might be a different story.

[F1Guy]

Loving the little messages on the back of Ricciardo's helmet this season.

This one was pre qualifying at Monaco.




This one was post at Spain (also was there Thursday at Monaco), after he was forced to apologize to the RB factory for Verstappen's mistake.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

.....after he was forced to apologize to the RB factory for Verstappen's mistake.

As an Aussie who is more a Danny fan than Max I have to admit that Danny (as he himself admitted) was also at fault and as a result was happy to and needed to apologise to the factory for his part of the incident. He chose to apologise and was not forced.