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Old 26 Nov 2022, 20:42 (Ref:4134975)   #31
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Old 26 Nov 2022, 21:01 (Ref:4134977)   #32
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Assuming I was correct (and if not, sorry) - the next question:


Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961 French GP
Jackie Stewart - 1965 Italian GP
Clay Regazzoni - 1970 Italian GP
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1970 United States GP
Juan Pablo Montoya - 2001 Italian GP


Why would Johnnie Parsons - 1950 Indianapolis 500 be added to the list, but not Bruce McLaren 1959 United States GP?
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Old 26 Nov 2022, 22:49 (Ref:4134980)   #33
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Assuming I was correct (and if not, sorry) - the next question:


Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961 French GP
Jackie Stewart - 1965 Italian GP
Clay Regazzoni - 1970 Italian GP
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1970 United States GP
Juan Pablo Montoya - 2001 Italian GP


Why would Johnnie Parsons - 1950 Indianapolis 500 be added to the list, but not Bruce McLaren 1959 United States GP?
Because they all won their GPs in their first F1 season.
McLarens was not his first season?
If correct then:
This is debatable because he was in a F2 division in 1958 and not eligible for F1 points, and it was only two events so nothing like a full season. Drivers who are rookies in modern times are counted as rookies even if they have two events from a previous season.
Johnny Parsons Indy 500 not a F1 (GP) race even if it did count towards the WDC.
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Old 26 Nov 2022, 23:33 (Ref:4134983)   #34
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Assuming I was correct (and if not, sorry) - the next question:


Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961French GP
Jackie Stewart - 1965Italian GP
Clay Regazzoni- 1970Italian GP
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1970United States GP
Juan Pablo Montoya - 2001Italian GP


Why would Johnnie Parsons - 1950 Indianapolis 500 be added to the list, but not Bruce McLaren 1959 United States GP?

Villeneuve Jr and Hamilton can be added to that list. Btw, you were right about Tarquini. 1995, with a half season in an Alfa in the BTCC and a one off race for Tyrrell in F1
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Old 26 Nov 2022, 23:41 (Ref:4134984)   #35
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Villeneuve Jr and Hamilton can be added to that list. Btw, you were right about Tarquini. 1995, with a half season in an Alfa in the BTCC and a one off race for Tyrrell in F1
And another is Jacky Ickx who won at Rouen in 1968.
That is what led me to the F2 question.
The Nürburgring often filled out the field with F2 but it was hardly a F1 race for them, even though Ickx was running 4th overall at one point in a Tyrrell Matra before retiring.
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Old 27 Nov 2022, 00:06 (Ref:4134988)   #36
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I think that’s the point. Both McLaren and Ickx competed in the F2 class the year before they won their first GP
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I think that’s the point. Both McLaren and Ickx competed in the F2 class the year before they won their first GP
But its not a season nor are they regular F1 drivers.
If we padded out the current GP grid with 6 or 8 F2 cars would we regard those drivers as competing in F1?

This practice was almost exclusively on the Nürburgring, which is the basis of my point.

In none of my questions would I regard such a driver in an isolated event as competing in F1 if not in an F1 car nor being eligible for points.
They were in a F2 race and formed up separately.
Ickx was fast enough for the front row of the F1 grid!
And this would have been the subject of my next question had crmalcom not asked it!

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Old 27 Nov 2022, 07:26 (Ref:4135024)   #38
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Because they all won their GPs in their first F1 season.
McLarens was not his first season?
Yes - this is the correct answer.
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Old 27 Nov 2022, 08:02 (Ref:4135025)   #39
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And that's why Johnnie Parsons was included
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Old 27 Nov 2022, 09:09 (Ref:4135033)   #40
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And that's why Johnnie Parsons was included
Yes - the full list would read:

Jacques Villeneuve - 1996 - European, British, Hungarian, Portuguese
Lewis Hamilton - 2007 - Canadian, United States, Hungarian, Japanese
Juan Manuel Fangio - 1950 - Monaco, Belgian, French
Giuseppe Farina - 1950 - British, Swiss, Italian
Johnnie Parsons - 1950 - Indianapolis 500
Giancarlo Baghetti - 1961 - French
Jackie Stewart - 1965 - Italian
Clay Regazzoni - 1970 - Italian
Emerson Fittipaldi - 1970 - United States
Juan Pablo Montoya - 2001 - Italian

The criteria for being on the list is to have a race win in the first season that you participated in a championship race.
Bruce McLaren does not appear on the list because he participated in two championship races in 1958, but was ineligible to score points.
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I''m hijacking the thread here, but as we're waiting for another question -

What links Lance Stroll, Nico Hülkenberg, Kevin Magnussen and Alexander Albon?
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Old 27 Nov 2022, 13:36 (Ref:4135048)   #42
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Tough one. It’s hard because Hulk is the only one who hasn’t got a podium!
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I've got another clue to the question, but I'll wait longer before putting it.
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I''m hijacking the thread here, but as we're waiting for another question -

What links Lance Stroll, Nico Hülkenberg, Kevin Magnussen and Alexander Albon?

They have all led F1 races but have not won.
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I think it’s that they all have had one pole, but no win
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