Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Showroom look, baked in parity, reduced costs, reduced aero for better overtaking potential. All to be able to attract other makes, I guess.

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To me it seemed like the priority was make the Mustang look like a Mustang and come up with something that get’s approval from GM to use the Camaro, then if there’s time see what you can do about costs.

They couldn’t even decide what gear shift to use, that shows where the “cars” themselves were in the priority queue

[bloggs]

The Gear stick is here to stay, for "2023 and beyond" the Supercars press release states. The fans and most drivers are now happy.

[E.B]

Common sense prevails and it is nice to have one series that listens to fan and driver input over the big whigs.

[GTRMagic]

Does testing of the prototypes now stop, awaiting fitment of a gearshift that some in the tower of power may have suggested wouldn’t fit in that car..

[one five five]

They may as well keep the “Commodore” for 2023 if they want to keep a gear stick……

[GTRMagic]

So.... its kinda early to know what's going on exactly... but...

From Mr Whincup's 'Quarterly Review' with Mr Feeney... it was suggested that 888 are building 9 new Chevrolet Camaro Gen3 V8Supercars for next season..
Presumably that's 3x for 888, 2x for Team18, 2x for MSR, 2x for PremiAir

Mr Morris suggested on the most recent 'Enforcer & The Dude' episode, that PACE had nailed together 14x Gen3 chassis, presumably they could be either Ford or Chevrolet base chassis.

If there are 25 cars on the grid next year... it counts as at now as being 3 or 4 (if the series moves to 26 entrants) chassis (at least) short. (8x race 888 chassis, 14x race PACE chassis).

As ever, over at Secret Squirrel headquarters at V8Supercar HQ, nobody is saying anything, and no media seems to be asking the questions.

Are there some teams looking to fall out of the series next season.. or is there a 3rd chassis constructor source currently uncommunicated..

Yes.. its early.. but the stories round the back of the sheds suggest there may be a series of test sessions lined up to generate headlines before the end of the season...

[S griffin]

I just hope something is announced soon. But if teams are building cars that's a good start, especially if it's big names like 888. And if they are building it for others, so much the better

It's a big step for the series to make, but the signs are good so far. I think we will see a good healthy grid next year, it all depends on how many are built and if anymore join. Just hope we see enough variety

I don't know why the bosses of the series are saying nothing though, is everything under control? It is a bit uncertain. But if we get at least two makes and the competition is close then it will be good enough

Brave move for the series, so we'll see if they can pull it off. I am quite sure the series will continue to be strong either way

[dirtymacca]

Pace Innovations should sell the jigs to teams like BJR, Supercars surely own rights to the chassis, therefore the jigs.
It would create a better system if teams owned their own jigs, they could then build more chassis at a cheaper price, have a quicker turn around in case of crashes. They all have fabricators and they could be better utilized when things are quite.
Lets face it a race car is a disposable item, not a work of art. Racing is a contact sport.

Many NASCAR teams build their own chassis to a standard jig. Their cars are cheaper than the exotic gold plated, diamond encrusted Gen 3 supercars.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by dirtymacca

Pace Innovations should sell the jigs to teams like BJR, Supercars surely own rights to the chassis, therefore the jigs.]

BJR could be a chassis manufacturer if they wanted to be, but clearly they do not.

Originally Posted by dirtymacca

It would create a better system if teams owned their own jigs, they could then build more chassis at a cheaper price, have a quicker turn around in case of crashes. They all have fabricators and they could be better utilized when things are quite.
Lets face it a race car is a disposable item, not a work of art. Racing is a contact sport.

Just a utopian fantasy. Having lots of people making the same thing increases costs, having a few key, skilled manufacturers doing it can reduce costs.

[Beages]

With Seamer now gone, Is there a chance Supercars will open up the engine regs and allow different configurations other than V8's? Assuming Craig Hasted can get similar torque curves - should be a no brainer.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by one five five

To me it seemed like the priority was make the Mustang look like a Mustang and come up with something that get’s approval from GM to use the Camaro, then if there’s time see what you can do about costs.

I don't understand why, say, the Nissan Z (as a thanks to their ultimately unfruitful support of the ATCC during COTF) and perhaps BMW M4 were not also priorities.

It doesn't make sense for the Australian Touring Car Championship to only include American cars and not include Asian and European cars.

Originally Posted by Beages

With Seamer now gone, Is there a chance Supercars will open up the engine regs and allow different configurations other than V8's? Assuming Craig Hasted can get similar torque curves - should be a no brainer.

Certainly! It would make sense for about half the field to be six-cylinder turbos (the aforementioned Nissan Z and M4 [in GT3 form for reference], or cars along those lines) as downsize turbo engines are more representative of most modern performance cars.

The loud naturally aspirated crossplane V8s would still be there, but there would be more variety too. Perhaps a maximum of six or seven cars per manufacture regulation is needed? That would encourage some of the 888 customer teams to not run the Camaro, but to run one of the other vehicles.

[Heck the Mercedes C63 is going to a four-cylinder turbo with a hybrid system, but that's a discussion for another day...

[tux]

Will it stop SVG winning?

[S griffin]

I’m sure he will start to get beaten more, but he should still get enough wins to be a championship challenger

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’m sure he will start to get beaten more

Like when ?

He's the next level

[Matt K]

Don't think SVG will be beaten anytime soon. He'll be like Whincup - winning lots of titles and races for years to come. Shame McLaughlin left - these two would create a great title fight. De Pasquale is good but certainly not good enough at the moment - maybe it's also a matter of DJR not being as strong as it used to be with Penske's support. Tickford's getting more and more mediocre so even if Waters was on top of his game, he could win a few races and that would be it. Brodie and Will Brown seem very talented, although driving for Erebus they won't win with SVG. Also, they'd need some time to be able to win with Van Gisbergen in the same car. Mostert can be great on a good day but WAU is not consistent enough to give him chances to battle with SVG on equal terms.

All in all, I guess Van Gisbergen will win a few titles in row before someone really challenges him. I'd like to be mistaken, however, as it's quite boring seeing one guy winning over and over again - no matter how impressive that is.