Supercars Gen 3 (2022)

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Casper

Stellantis have killed the Challenger

And just to rub it in the 300C Chrysler is now on the way out also.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/auto-s...odge-chrysler/

I hope the management have a plan but somehow I am sceptical that they do.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

And just to rub it in the 300C Chrysler is now on the way out also.

If you thought a 15 year old car on a 30 year old platform wasn't going to be on the way out at some point I've got a bridge to sell you!

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Manufacturers are not represented in GT3 - it's illegal.

Manufacturers develop GT3 vehicles to sell to CUSTOMERS, and make a profit doing

How much do Manthay buy their 911s for? Or WRT buy their Audi’s? How much did Msport buy their Msport-built Bentley’s for?

You’re smart enough to know that factory backing and works entries have been front and centre in GT3 racing for over a decade.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Mixer

If you thought a 15 year old car on a 30 year old platform wasn't going to be on the way out at some point I've got a bridge to sell you!

I agree but please let us know what SC's are going to use when sedans bodies are not available. You have picked out the obvious without advancing the discussion one bit.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

I agree but please let us know what SC's are going to use when sedans bodies are not available. You have picked out the obvious without advancing the discussion one bit.

Well EVs which are seen as the future of cars are almost exclusively sedans, there are comparatively few SUVs.

Clearly Supercars could just as easily be SUV bodies - all it takes is new bar work and body panels.

Plenty of stupid performance SUVs to go racing with. Body shape is irrelevant.

[Casper]

Putting a V8 in an electric road car body should go down well with the manufacturer, using a V8 might be even more interesting especially in a SUV. Try asking Elon for permission to use his sedans as a base and putting a V8 in it, that would be a very interesting conversation.

[GreenMachine]

Getting farcical in here.

SUVs?

EVs?

With V8s?!

What are you smoking?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Getting farcical in here.

SUVs?

EVs?

With V8s?!

What are you smoking?

Isn’t there a Tesla Sports Sedan being built, being powered by a Chev V8?

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Manufacturers are not represented in GT3 - it's illegal.

So GT3 teams like WRT, Walkenhorst, AF Corse, Sainteloc are racing purely on private money?

[crmalcolm]

The ACO had said that manufacturers will be involved, just not as an official factory entry:

"One of the biggest parameters is that we shall be looking at a category where the manufacturers cannot enter officially.

Because you have Hypercar, and we want to have good battles so one of the main topics is to prevent the manufacturers, the works cars, to enter the category. [...] When asked about how a factory-backed GT team such as Corvette Racing would enter Le Mans from 2024, ACO President Pierre Fillon told Sportscar365: “You have to ask the question to Corvette. They can come with amateur drivers and private teams."

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by FIRE

So GT3 teams like WRT, Walkenhorst, AF Corse, Sainteloc are racing purely on private money?

It would seem not. It's no secret that the likes of the Nurburgring 24 hour, DTM, IMSA GTD and so forth are full of unofficial manufacturer backed teams.

Anyhow, Mercedes have released the future of the performance car:

2023 Mercedes C63 S E-Performance
475hp 2.0L turbocharged four cylinder ICE
200hp hybrid system
675hp combined output
2115kg (+381kg from previous model)
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/AMG/C63/46224

Should Gen 3 have adopted this contemporary, market relevant direction?

The 6.0kWh battery is cooled by 15L of coolant for the battery cooling system -- some very impressive engineering!

I note Gen 3 has a provision for hybrid but they are not even using it yet, neither adopting market relevant 'downsize turbo' four cylinder engines yet either.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It would seem not. It's no secret that the likes of the Nurburgring 24 hour, DTM, IMSA GTD and so forth are full of unofficial manufacturer backed teams.

Anyhow, Mercedes have released the future of the performance car:

2023 Mercedes C63 S E-Performance
475hp 2.0L turbocharged four cylinder ICE
200hp hybrid system
675hp combined output
2115kg (+381kg from previous model)
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/AMG/C63/46224

Should Gen 3 have adopted this contemporary, market relevant direction?

The 6.0kWh battery is cooled by 15L of coolant for the battery cooling system -- some very impressive engineering!

I note Gen 3 has a provision for hybrid but they are not even using it yet, neither adopting market relevant 'downsize turbo' four cylinder engines yet either.

Impressive engineering, yes.

But these 4 pot engines don't usually sound great even with some kind of performance exhaust systen!

[GreenMachine]

Originally Posted by one five five

Isn’t there a Tesla Sports Sedan being built, being powered by a Chev V8?

I guess, as these are already basically Sports Sedans ...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

It would seem not. It's no secret that the likes of the Nurburgring 24 hour, DTM, IMSA GTD and so forth are full of unofficial manufacturer backed teams.

Anyhow, Mercedes have released the future of the performance car:

2023 Mercedes C63 S E-Performance
475hp 2.0L turbocharged four cylinder ICE
200hp hybrid system
675hp combined output
2115kg (+381kg from previous model)
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/AMG/C63/46224

Should Gen 3 have adopted this contemporary, market relevant direction?

The 6.0kWh battery is cooled by 15L of coolant for the battery cooling system -- some very impressive engineering!

I note Gen 3 has a provision for hybrid but they are not even using it yet, neither adopting market relevant 'downsize turbo' four cylinder engines yet either.

Using hybrid is just adding cost and complexity and everyone is already screaming about costs when the engine is a stone age pushrod V8. I don't have any idea what the answer is but the blokes who forked out all the money for the keys to the door better start working on it and come up with a plan.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by FIRE

So GT3 teams like WRT, Walkenhorst, AF Corse, Sainteloc are racing purely on private money?

Yes, factory teams are explicitly banned. GT3 is customer racing.

It's supposed to be the same in TCR too but then they allowed Cyan to have a complete 4 car factory team and they didn't sell a car to a real customer so...