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Old 25 Oct 2019, 10:23 (Ref:3936666)   #136
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This has always frustrated me with any rule-making body, be it sports or politics or whatever. (Promise I'm not getting political). They make rules, those get exploited with loopholes or unintended consequences. So, they like on more rules, while keeping the flawed first rule. Then it happens again. And again. Until they have so many rules/laws in place that they contradict each other, leading the most clever to exploit loopholes or use the rules to their advantage until further clarifications happen. But none of these rules are stripped down upon new information being made available, just more rules tacked on. So you end up with situations like this, where you're compliant in one way, but not another, and the only way for this to not happen is for all solutions to be known beforehand. Which, if we had that, teams would already be there, and this would all be pretty boring and pointless.
In national laws, ambiguity and contradiction are essential. Otherwise there would be very little need for solicitors and barristers. Then they would have to take much less well-paid jobs and actually contribute something useful to society.
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 16:45 (Ref:3936731)   #137
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In national laws, ambiguity and contradiction are essential. Otherwise there would be very little need for solicitors and barristers. Then they would have to take much less well-paid jobs and actually contribute something useful to society.
Haha, hence the frustration.....
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Old 26 Oct 2019, 14:35 (Ref:3936884)   #138
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In national laws, ambiguity and contradiction are essential. Otherwise there would be very little need for solicitors and barristers. Then they would have to take much less well-paid jobs and actually contribute something useful to society.
Yeah, they could become actors in soaps or reality tv stars.....

Most 'jobbing' lawyers, particularly those who represent petty criminals (and some less petty ones) in courts up and down the land day in, day out are a far cry from the fat cats that most people normally visualise when they think of solicitors and barristers. There will always be a great need for lawyers for these situations. As always, sweeping generalisations aren't always accurate....
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In the aftermath of Renault's DSQ, Cyril Abiteboul believes the rules regarding driver aids are "not fit for the purpose of the modern F1 car". Article 27.1, states "the driver must drive the car alone and unaided". According to Abiteboul, this allows too much subjectivity, given the various elements current cars have that inherently assist the driver.

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Seems to me that he has a point there. With all the gadgetry on cars for a couple of decades now, the rule probably is rather ambiguous & open to a wide tranch of interpretation.
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I think it would help if they made it clearer what is a driver aid and what isn't. Then we would have less of a grey area
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nothing stops a team from asking for a clarification though. if i am correct about the timeline, this started with RP asking for a clarification either about what Renault were doing or because they wanted to know if they could develop along those lines as well.

playing devil's advocate a bit here...but perhaps Renault were intentionally looking for performance within the grey areas and they just got caught.

i get Abiteboul's point and maybe he is correct that teams should not be sniping at each other like this and the the rules body should be constantly checking the legality of the cars without the need for a team to instigate such investigations.

but the unspoken part of his statement (or flip side of it) is that under the current rules (however antiquated he thinks they are) if Renault were working on an area 'based on speculation, on imagination' then surely this is more a reason why Renault should have sought out clarification prior to following/applying this development path.

anyways Renault is a desperate team at the moment.
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