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Old 18 Aug 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3923212)   #1471
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Really? Where and when?
I believe it's the Australian S5000 series. Spec Formula 3 cars with production based Ford v8 putting out a bit under 600HP.

Might be interesting, but understand these are not throwback F5000. They are modern cars (halo device, etc)

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Old 19 Aug 2019, 05:13 (Ref:3923352)   #1472
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What day was that?
When there was a track invader.
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Old 19 Aug 2019, 11:03 (Ref:3923375)   #1473
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Yes he did win a couple when a track invader caused a SC, including that one he came from 18th and won by staying out on slicks on a wet track
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Old 22 Aug 2019, 05:28 (Ref:3923702)   #1474
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I believe it's the Australian S5000 series. Spec Formula 3 cars with production based Ford v8 putting out a bit under 600HP.

Might be interesting, but understand these are not throwback F5000. They are modern cars (halo device, etc)

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The idea has always been it is F5000 using a modern car and the concept was F5000 was great so let's do a sequel because if it worked once it has got to work twice. I have my doubts but would like to be proven wrong that any market research has been done at all and it is all just a gut feeling that this has to be the next great thing in Oz and if they promote the hell out of it then mega success is assured. Call me a cynic but I don't see it at all.
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Bringing this thread back from deep sleep.

I think one thing FOM needs to find a way to address is to improve interest in the US. I have noticed something very interesting recently with respect to US broadcast of races.

So right now those are being shown advertisement free (and uninterrupted). I think part of that might be it's maybe hard to inject advertisements into the provided world feed? Regardless, what can be done (and I think has been done in the past for this season) is to effectively provide (not sure what the right terminology here is) some type of "event sponsor". Such as... "This race is brought to you advertisement free by McDonalds", or something similar.

What I have noticed recently is that the race broadcast here in the US (I think via ESPN2) does not have "real" advertisements shown in the space that is the lead in into the show. What seems to have been shown recently has been a series of "Public Service Announcements" (or whatever they are called). I am not in the broadcast industry, but my perception is that those are what the broadcaster runs when nobody buys that advertisement slot. I don't know what the rate card would be for F1 that ESPN2 is using, but it seems right now... Nobody wants to put their advertisement just before the broadcast! To me that is shocking for what is a relatively high profile sporting event elsewhere.

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This might be a bit tangential to the general line of this discussion but I feel it is related.I know that Pitpass.com isn't always held in high regard in these parts and often for good reason they did publish this article earlier https://www.pitpass.com/65878/Could-...ge-teams-image .It deserves a few moments of your time as it makes it less likely that images of cars will be circulated and that eyeballs will be exposed to the liveries the entrants have chosen to highlight the identities and trade names of the sponsors.The whole purpose of sponsorship is to get the names of the sponsors displayed to the greatest number of people and imposing barriers and costs will tend to limit that exposure.
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Old 4 Oct 2019, 00:34 (Ref:3931804)   #1477
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This might be a bit tangential to the general line of this discussion but I feel it is related.I know that Pitpass.com isn't always held in high regard in these parts and often for good reason they did publish this article earlier https://www.pitpass.com/65878/Could-...ge-teams-image .It deserves a few moments of your time as it makes it less likely that images of cars will be circulated and that eyeballs will be exposed to the liveries the entrants have chosen to highlight the identities and trade names of the sponsors.The whole purpose of sponsorship is to get the names of the sponsors displayed to the greatest number of people and imposing barriers and costs will tend to limit that exposure.
After reading that article, it became apparent this the same problem that is pervasive on YouTube. You upload the content you own, then YouTube looks for matching videos or audio. Then if they find a match, they let the person who uploaded the offending video what is going on. I think typically any advertisement revenue is redirected to the IP owner.

At least that is how it is supposed to work.

What can happen is that the matching algorithm may not work very well. I uploaded a personal video of an in-car lap (me driving) at the nurburgring a few years ago. Then years later was told I had stolen the content from someone else. As you might expect, two different cars running on the nurburgring in similar lighting conditions might create videos that look the same to an AI system. Or you might have someone who just claims ownership just to see if they can extract payment from those who might not realize they are being scammed. Such as claiming ownership of music that was provided license free in editing software for people to use in their own videos.

I would almost bet money that what has happened in this example is that Motorsports Images has a huge library of images that they have accumulated both by acquisition of other libraries and own their own. But buried in this large library is images that were downloaded directly from teams, just like pitpass did. Motorsports Images think they own exclusive rights to their entire library, but maybe they don't.

Then Motorsports Images uploaded their entire library to ImageRights. ImageRights then searches the web for anything that matches and starts to sends out bills. It becomes a lot of work to prove innocence. And I "think" many of the laws that deal with this effectively assume you are guilty until you can prove your innocence. Or at a minimum, require jumping through hoops to make it go away.

In the end, this is not an F1 problem. This is a pervasive problem across multiple industries.

Richard

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Agree Richard.

I would imagine that IP could also get quite complicated when the images are of an individual car, team or driver, in that even though photographer X took the photo, there wouldn't be a photo to take if the team didn't exist so maybe the team has some rights as well. Then there are rights held by the owners of the series as well.

I know for example that with Supercars here in Oz, any photographer requiring accreditation has to sign over at least partial IP rights to the Supercars organisation and that there is an arrangement between Supercars and the teams that Supercars can use images of a group of cars or teams as much as it likes but if the images are of a single driver or team there is some kind of approval and/or IP sharing arrangement with the team concerned.

I don't believe that Motorsport Images necessarily acknowledges any of that automatically and it certainly sounds like there is some hard ball being played with pitpass in this case - maybe only some legal argument would resolve that and no doubt Liberty may well have something to say in any such argument regarding F1.

Sidenote, I emailed Motorsport Images myself about a small number of images in its library of cars where I'd been a crew member, asking for access to the images for my own personal use, made it clear not commercial. No reply, tried again, same. Not bitter about it but the company clearly takes a pretty firm line on it owning everything as a starting position.
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I believe it's the Australian S5000 series. Spec Formula 3 cars with production based Ford v8 putting out a bit under 600HP.

Might be interesting, but understand these are not throwback F5000. They are modern cars (halo device, etc)

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Speaking of which.

The S5000 cars look pretty good, sound excellent and can race one another!

https://motorsport.tv/motorsporttv/video/s5000-sandown-feature-race/27607 Start 20 mins in.

Qualifying heat 2

https://motorsport.tv/motorsporttv/video/s5000-sandown-qualifying-heat-2/27604 Start 10 mins in.

Properly managed, I think this series will have legs.

Relatively cheap, powerful, fast, safe and a handful to drive, not much not to like.
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