The Super Touring Register

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by redshoes

In the case of the two Prodrive cars I believe that both are/were genuine race cars, although neither has been near a track for many years.

Definitely race cars. As you say show cars are very different beasts under the skin (the vast majority of the "WRC" cars seen at shows like Autosport for example).

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

These STW cars just sound so naughty, also did the BMW E36 STW, which I supported in DK. The backfire and the fullthrottle was amazing

The Mazda Xedos also sounded great, not sure if the V6 was based on the Ford Mondeo engine.

[Craner Curves]

The Xedos' engine was a 2.0 V6 from the start, while the Mondeo's was originally a Mazda-designed 2.5 litre engine from the Ford Probe.

[mildura1963]

There are still plenty of S/T's here in OZ, even the Hyundai Lantra's.

[kmchow]

Originally Posted by mildura1963

There are still plenty of S/T's here in OZ, even the Hyundai Lantra's.

Are the Lantras actually being run still?

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by THIM

One of those, also ex-Cecotto, is being displayed in BMW Museum in Munchen. As I remember, it's STW title winner.

That is true, mate!

Martin Marrills STW is a BMW 320i E36 STW (ex Bigazzi) 1997. It was driven by Johnny Cecotto to 3rd position in the championship.

Its now fully restored in all white. Its ready to race as it did in the Danish Special Salooncar Championship, where it with Martin behind the wheel was among the championship contenders in 2007. All original spec, as it left Bigazzi!

I have asked Martin to add it on Supertouringregister, which he will do with chassisnumber and all, when the poor guy has the time

[John Hammersley]

OK Guys, I am lucky enough to race these fantastic cars. I had an Ex Cleland Cavalier (the 94 car, chassis No 18), and now have an Ex Leslie Honda Accord, (the 96 MSD car). There are quite a few of us with ST's who take part in the LMA Eurosaloons Championship, so for those of you who want to see the cars racing (as opposed to museum pieces !) come along to the LMA races, (full details at www.lmaeurosalooons.co.uk)

[mildura1963]

Originally Posted by kmchow

Are the Lantras actually being run still?

They get to run occasionally in combined Super Tourer/V8 Supercar/Future Tourer races with the AMRC.

[Ed Peters]

Originally Posted by John Hammersley

OK Guys, I am lucky enough to race these fantastic cars. I had an Ex Cleland Cavalier (the 94 car, chassis No 18), and now have an Ex Leslie Honda Accord, (the 96 MSD car). There are quite a few of us with ST's who take part in the LMA Eurosaloons Championship, so for those of you who want to see the cars racing (as opposed to museum pieces !) come along to the LMA races, (full details at www.lmaeurosaloons.co.uk )

Welcome John..

Just spotted why the link doesn't work!

[Icebaby]

Hi John, thanks for the link as it provides a great insight to the cars still running from S/T years.

Its obviously nice to see the Mondeo and Accord in most of the orgional livery as this is what fans can relate to, if you put all the livery's back to manufacturer you would proberbly pull more spectators in !, now there an idea .

Can you give an idea to running costs for this cars for each meeting?

[John Hammersley]

Originally Posted by Icebaby

Hi John, thanks for the link as it provides a great insight to the cars still running from S/T years.

Its obviously nice to see the Mondeo and Accord in most of the orgional livery as this is what fans can relate to, if you put all the livery's back to manufacturer you would proberbly pull more spectators in !, now there an idea .

Can you give an idea to running costs for this cars for each meeting?

If the car works OK (unusual!) around £1000 per meeting. But then add on engine rebuilds (every 2000K), gearbox rebuilds, clutches Etc.

[JMeissner]

Some Super Tourers live today, even in November:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QTa7k6Lk0

[sharpy]

Originally Posted by JMeissner

Some Super Tourers live today, even in November:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=p5QTa7k6Lk0

The S40 sounds brilliant, forgot how good the 5 cylinder engine noise was!!!

I hope it comes over as planned for the Silverstone Classic next July.

[JAG]

Did the '93 (?) C class Mercedes ever run?

[Icebaby]

Originally Posted by John Hammersley

If the car works OK (unusual!) around �1000 per meeting. But then add on engine rebuilds (every 2000K), gearbox rebuilds, clutches Etc.

Great insight to the costs John, In terms of the cars we see them advertised for large sums of money but in reality how much do they fetch, i.e the Mondeo of 2000 or Accord.

Is there any reason why the people running the cars do not put them back to origional liveries?.

What made you but the Accord super tourer and do you know who raced it when a manufacturer car?


I had'nt watched this for a while but its still the best Super tourer race ever! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q-R665bquMg

[Tim Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Icebaby

Is there any reason why the people running the cars do not put them back to origional liveries?.

Because there's more in it for drivers to advertise their own business or sponsors rather than give space to a company or manufacturer that doesn't pay their bills?

I have doubts that STs back in original livery would have any impact at all on club motorsport gates (them running does make it more appealing to go and watch LMA, although that's of little relevance to the occasional "fan" or 1990's ST fanboys who I doubt would hear of these cars running from any media source expect specialist internet or press - and any interest is unlikely to be diminished by lack of period livery).

And even if original livery did bring in more customers (spectators), it's the circuit who keeps the cash - no benefit to the organising club or drivers, who still have to fund the racing somehow (and so back to my first point).

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

That is true, mate!

Martin Marrills STW is a BMW 320i E36 STW (ex Bigazzi) 1997. It was driven by Johnny Cecotto to 3rd position in the championship.

Its now fully restored in all white. Its ready to race as it did in the Danish Special Salooncar Championship, where it with Martin behind the wheel was among the championship contenders in 2007. All original spec, as it left Bigazzi!

I have asked Martin to add it on Supertouringregister, which he will do with chassisnumber and all, when the poor guy has the time

As promised, Martin Marill asked me to add the car on Nigel Clarks SPLENDID Super Touring Register:

http://www.supertouringregister.com/...ehicle/219.php

Please enjoy, obvious any further details on the car will be greatly appreciated. Both for Martin and the new owner, these details are gold

Thank you to Nigel Clark for making this possible.

[mig]

Originally Posted by John Hammersley

If the car works OK (unusual!) around �1000 per meeting. But then add on engine rebuilds (every 2000K), gearbox rebuilds, clutches Etc.

Does the figure of 1000 include entry fee etc, or just the cost of getting the car through qualifying and a days racing.

[kmchow]

Originally Posted by JAG

Did the '93 (?) C class Mercedes ever run?

Was there ever a ST C Class that made it to the track? In Sweden or elsewhere? I know there was talk of builiding one, but that one barely got past the white bodyshell prep stage.

[FIRE]

Didn't know there was built a C-class super tourer. Was it an official Mercedes project? Any pics (probably not )?

[JAG]

AMG apparently prepared/built one when the first Class 1 DTM car was being built, but Mercedes went with Class 1 rather than Class 2.

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by JAG

AMG apparently prepared/built one when the first Class 1 DTM car was being built, but Mercedes went with Class 1 rather than Class 2.

Indeed they did, is that poor thing stuffed in at the museum somewhere?

Or in a box?

[redshoes]

There's been a couple of Mercedes 190s racing in the Swedish and Australian TCC. The Aussie one was a detuned Group A car. I'm not sure about the Swedish one but I suspect it was the same.

There were odd rumours that a SuperTouring (wings/splitter) spec Merc was built in the late 90s, I seem to recall Prodrive being mentioned at some point. If that car was built then it never saw the light of day.

[redshoes]

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!ld435....ticle?mid=1378

I have no idea what the text says but there's some interesting pictures here.

[Aslak Vind]

Originally Posted by redshoes

http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!ld435.ufCQQhrtAu_je0WqDAbw--/article?mid=1378

I have no idea what the text says but there's some interesting pictures here.

Absolutely, nice find!

Interesting Impreza!