BTCC 2018 in-season discussion

[btccbloke]

completely unconnected but as he came up in discussion earlier today, looks like Mat Jackson has been out in an Austin A40 today... https://twitter.com/ProvaAuto would like to see him turn out somewhere to rescue his career

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Cammish, Smiley and Butcher have all shown race winning pace so far. Don't think it'll be too likely to see any others this season.

Well, I know it's only a matter of time before Cammish strikes lucky once FK8 comes good. I've been researching BTCC Race Winners lately and to date, there's been 140, up to and including Dan Lloyd and all instances when the winning car was shared between 2 drivers!

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

Well, I know it's only a matter of time before Cammish strikes lucky once FK8 comes good. I've been researching BTCC Race Winners lately and to date, there's been 140, up to and including Dan Lloyd and all instances when the winning car was shared between 2 drivers!

I dont understand your last comment, as an example Aiden Moffats winning Mercedes was never shared with another driver http://www.touringcarregister.com/register/158/

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

I dont understand your last comment, as an example Aiden Moffats winning Mercedes was never shared with another driver http://www.touringcarregister.com/register/158/

I meant since the BTCC started in 1958 as the BSCC and there were instances in the 70s and 80s where the winning car was shared as the late Frank de Jong's website can attest:

http://touringcarracing.net/Races/19...tone%20TT.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/19...tone%20TT.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/19...0Park%202.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/19...on%20BTCC.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1989%20Donington.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1990%20Donington.html
http://touringcarracing.net/Races/19...nterserie.html

Even the Official BTCC website acknowledges those - http://www.btcc.net/history/statistics/drivers/

Any further questions?

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

Any further questions?

who was your favorite

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

who was your favorite

Rickard Rydell, I've had others since he left the series but he was my first and foremost.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

Shaun suggested the move was about performance, no disrepect to him, hes a steady peddler but when theres a lot of experienced hands around surely he might as well hand the keys to someone who till get some results

as for Broadley, everyone was suggesting he would swap with Caine but I havent seen anything more about that

I suspect Shaun may have been counting on Jakes services... but given TGs rumblings that might not be an option.

I now think Cainey is staying put for the season, ditto the other HARD drivers bar Jake.

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I suspect Shaun may have been counting on Jakes services... but given TGs rumblings that might not be an option.

I now think Cainey is staying put for the season, ditto the other HARD drivers bar Jake.

Team HARD does enough chopping and changing as it is (budgetary issues I know). I still remember their 2013 Season.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I suspect Shaun may have been counting on Jakes services... but given TGs rumblings that might not be an option.

I now think Cainey is staying put for the season, ditto the other HARD drivers bar Jake.

Hill will be in the MG at Snetterton, its just a question of the right backs getting scratched

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

Hill will be in the MG at Snetterton, its just a question of the right backs getting scratched

Hill and Butcher sounds like a promising (potential) Line-up, kind of like Cook and Sutton in 2016.

[auroan]

Hmmmm is it worth £5.50 to sign up to read this article;

"How the BTCC is tackling drivers who don't pay their bills"

https://www.motorsport.com/btcc/news...bills-1061135/

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by auroan

Hmmmm is it worth £5.50 to sign up to read this article;

"How the BTCC is tackling drivers who don't pay their bills"

https://www.motorsport.com/btcc/news...bills-1061135/

Sure raises an interesting point though

[Racer65]

It's on Autosport Plus which I subscribe to.

Basically what they're referring to is one of the sub-rules of the TBL agreement which basically says a driver can't move teams unless they can prove that they've met all obligations to their current team.

So if they've missed a payment etc they can't move until that's settled.

On the flip side a driver can leave if they can prove that the team hasn't met it's obligations. Performance promises etc.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by Racer65

It's on Autosport Plus which I subscribe to.

Basically what they're referring to is one of the sub-rules of the TBL agreement which basically says a driver can't move teams unless they can prove that they've met all obligations to their current team.

So if they've missed a payment etc they can't move until that's settled.

On the flip side a driver can leave if they can prove that the team hasn't met it's obligations. Performance promises etc.

Ah so basically this has come to light due to the Team Hard and Hill departing issue then ?

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by Racer65

It's on Autosport Plus which I subscribe to.

Basically what they're referring to is one of the sub-rules of the TBL agreement which basically says a driver can't move teams unless they can prove that they've met all obligations to their current team.

So if they've missed a payment etc they can't move until that's settled.

On the flip side a driver can leave if they can prove that the team hasn't met it's obligations. Performance promises etc.

Very, very intriguing.

Smells like in order to move teams, Hill has to prove that TG and HARD weren't up to snuff, which then leads to bad blood.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by BobJones

Very, very intriguing.

Smells like in order to move teams, Hill has to prove that TG and HARD weren't up to snuff, which then leads to bad blood.

What can he use as a yardstick anyway, Although hes not a regular top 10, Hill has had his best finish - even if rain affected the race, hes only 6 points off where he was same point 2017 with only 1 retirement vs 3 in the first half last year.
So the car is more reliable which I'm sure would have been one of the get out clauses, and by luck he has had a best result.

So might be difficult to prove the car was terrible rather than just "i wanted more"

[Pdh]

You can’t just look at retirements in the races only, if might had had lots of issues in free practices which put him on the back foot on a Saturday, the only people who know what’s really happened are team hard and Jake and Simon

[Racer65]

Originally Posted by BobJones

Very, very intriguing.

Smells like in order to move teams, Hill has to prove that TG and HARD weren't up to snuff, which then leads to bad blood.

As long as he's up to date with all his contract obligations then he can move regardless. The performance of the team only becomes an issue if he hasn't met the obligations he signed up to at the start.

[S griffin]

I think that says it all, that’s the reason we haven’t seen Hill at AMD, yet

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I think that says it all, that’s the reason we haven’t seen Hill at AMD, yet

...or why there's been no indication of who's going to replace him at Team HARD either. It's not for definite it's gonna be Boardley for instance....

[Evantra]

Given they've [HARD] struggled with 4 cars this year, will we see him replaced at all...?

If they're desperate to hold on to that TBL, then I fear we'll have a third VW backmarker...

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Given they've [HARD] struggled with 4 cars this year, will we see him replaced at all...?

If they're desperate to hold on to that TBL, then I fear we'll have a third VW backmarker...

4 cars does feel like pushing it, I can understand why Mr. Gow said he'd prefer the field be limited to 26 cars.

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

At the time this was posted - Hill was still a Team HARD driver.

Then Hill left Team HARD with immediate effect, which sounded pretty definite.


TG has suggested that his contract will prevent him from driving elsewhere...

Then yesterday, Hill tweeted:
'Cannot wait to be racing with #BriskyRacing & johndanbyracing silverstoneclassic this coming weekend'

So if Hill is free to drive with Brisky (albeit in a different car), does that mean that Brisky are the holders of his contract, and could take their backing elsewhere?

It would seem strange to me for one of the marquee sponsors of Team HARD to run a driver who has 'left the team'?

I get the feeling that the whole TG/Hill/Brisky/HARD saga has got a bit more to run yet.....

As I understand it, one of Hill's sponsors had already paid Team Hard for the full season, and now wants half of its money back.

I suspect Tony Gilham may not be willing to return that cash.

[Nononsensecapeesh]

Originally Posted by sceptic

As I understand it, one of Hill's sponsors had already paid Team Hard for the full season, and now wants half of its money back.

I suspect Tony Gilham may not be willing to return that cash.

What a waste of time, resources and everyone's sanity.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by sceptic

As I understand it, one of Hill's sponsors had already paid Team Hard for the full season, and now wants half of its money back.

I suspect Tony Gilham may not be willing to return that cash.

..interesting, is this why Rolec decided to stay with Team Hard rather than follow their driver?