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Old 5 Apr 2019, 05:19 (Ref:3895377)   #26
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So if Holden dominates the next 6 races, does that mean Supercars will reassess the COG??

Probably not??
Of course not, that will be mission accomplished for supercars.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 05:24 (Ref:3895381)   #27
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 05:34 (Ref:3895387)   #28
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Commodores fastest in all sessions today. Just doing a better job. Probably.
The boss fella isnt there to wiggle the boat... maybe there is a new sense of calm in the garage...
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Given Whincup said the car was ok, but not great, they must be pumped for a big weekend coming up when they get it right.
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Given Whincup said the car was ok, but not great, they must be pumped for a big weekend coming up when they get it right.
Mr Lowndes and Mr Tander were complaining about weight transfer corner to corner that wasnt as lumpy as the previous multiple spring environment..
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 07:05 (Ref:3895405)   #31
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1-2-3-4-5 for Holden in the second practice. Job done.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 07:24 (Ref:3895411)   #32
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1-2-3-4-5 for Holden in the second practice. Job done.
Not quite - they've still got an aero nobbling agenda to complete.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 07:36 (Ref:3895414)   #33
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LOL at anyone drawing any definitive conclusions from practice sessions - particularly for a race meeting with parc ferme in place after qualifying. Meaning that some may not be intending to run a "full on" Q setup and so may have not tested it, some tried different warm up techniques for tyres, some ran full car sets of new tyres, some didn't, the list is long.
Race weekend would be more definitive, scheduled aero test between here and PI more definitive again and PI itself yet more definitive.
We'll see what pans out. At least now they all have the same CoG so that reasoning / excuse / answer has now been resolved - bat on.
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1-2-3-4-5 for Holden in the second practice. Job done.
**cough** sandbagging **cough**
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**cough** sandbagging **cough**
It isnt really even sandbagging.... more a case of what was the function of P2? Answer, to hone in on a set up that deals with Parc Ferme rules, and finish in the top 10 and avoid having to run Q1, keeping a set of tyres in the bank. All the fancied runners did that. Job done.
No points for finishing practice quickest today.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 08:59 (Ref:3895435)   #36
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One wonders if the Ford protagonists ever expected the catagory to ramp up their methods of seeking parity, and so early in the season?

Perhaps, some could argue that up til recently, the methods of parity testing have been somewhat antiquated given the simulation technology teams have access to, and that teams have taken full advantage of this?
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**cough** sandbagging **cough**

Roland-style, you reckon?
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 09:57 (Ref:3895445)   #38
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One wonders if the Ford protagonists ever expected the catagory to ramp up their methods of seeking parity, and so early in the season?

Perhaps, some could argue that up til recently, the methods of parity testing have been somewhat antiquated given the simulation technology teams have access to, and that teams have taken full advantage of this?
Well the ZB had cfd aero last year and that was apparently fine. Now Ford have done a proper job it is a parity issue. Parity issues will keep coming up until Holden go back to filling the podiums.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 11:39 (Ref:3895465)   #39
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So did the Nissan...

Regardless of who's done a better job of getting a car through homologation, it's a parity series, and the catagory must manage that.
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They’ve never gone to such lengths so quickly to ‘manage’ parity that I can remember . Including hurriedly writing new rules.
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Old 5 Apr 2019, 12:10 (Ref:3895471)   #41
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They’ve never gone to such lengths so quickly to ‘manage’ parity that I can remember . Including hurriedly writing new rules.


Other than 12 months ago with the ZB of course.
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Other than 12 months ago with the ZB of course.
The rules were already there for composite panels. It just needed tweaking to include all makes.

Chassis COG is an entirely new rule.

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**cough** sandbagging **cough**
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The rules were already there for composite panels. It just needed tweaking to include all makes.

Chassis COG is an entirely new rule.

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As was the additional bodywork rule 12 months ago re bodywork dimensions & accusations of “tucking”
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**cough** sandbagging **cough**
Takes a special ability to sandbag six cars across two teams, to be within 3 tenths of each other. Wonderful orchestration.

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As was the additional bodywork rule 12 months ago re bodywork dimensions & accusations of “tucking”
But brand new shiny COG rules could be written after one round. Remarkable given theyd only tested at one track, and raced at a street circuit.
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Takes a special ability to sandbag six cars across two teams, to be within 3 tenths of each other. Wonderful orchestration.



But brand new shiny COG rules could be written after one round. Remarkable given theyd only tested at one track, and raced at a street circuit.
The second DJRTP car is usually several positions behind the lead one.
They are now almost on par.
Seems odd....
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But brand new shiny COG rules could be written after one round. Remarkable given theyd only tested at one track, and raced at a street circuit.
2 rounds, (Adelaide and AGP) with 2 very different styles of track to run on plus the test.

There are already CoG rules for engine so it would be easy to write something similar for the car overall when needed.

Composite panels (to improve CoG) were introduced last year for Ford and Nissan after one round (Adelaide) with the rule dealing with bodywork "tuck" brought in after 3 rounds.
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2 rounds, (Adelaide and AGP) with 2 very different styles of track to run on plus the test.
No, theyd already decided they were testing COG after the Adelaide round: COG test after Albert Park
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Bodywork tucking was just a rewording of an already existing rule. It listed a maximum width, but not minimum.

They should have done COG testing after 2 rounds last year. Or better yet, before the start of the season. Simple solution would have been to ballast up the ZB, then review it at years end with the new Mustang and revised Altima.
Would have saved a shed load of money, but Roland had us all believe, there was no advantage with composite panels....

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