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Oh what? This works. https://api.motorsport.tv/embed/p4E7...tions?autoplay
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13 Nov 2018, 23:56 (Ref:3863197) | #579 | ||
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Backs up the point about the rule changes being piecemeal and having unintended consequences. The drag and fuel consumption I queried above? |
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Mark Hughes from Motorsport Magazine on the 2019 rule changes:
Conclusion: No change to the racing and advantage Mercedes. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...ould-change-f1 "How effective will it all be? Here’s a quote from someone very close to the research behind it: “I don’t think it will make the racing very different to how it is. But if we’d left it, the racing would be much worse than it currently is.” Will it have an effect on the competitive order? Probably not a profound one. But it would seem to make a super-high rake car less feasible – in that with a less powerful draw upon the diffuser exit speeding up the flow, the diffuser itself will stall at lower car speeds than it currently does as the ride height increases as the speed comes down. So does that mean anyone that has not followed a high-rake concept over the years might be looking better relative to the rest? What teams have done that? Only one: Mercedes." Mark Hughes |
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They need to reduce downforce on the body. It’s not rocket science
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No it’s fluid dynamics, which is far more complicated. Rocket science is relatively simple.
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bring back full side skirted ground effects!
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The biggest shortcoming in the suggestions in response to the question is often the narrowness of vision , fiddling around the edges , tweaking this and that but not thinking about the bigger picture .
Which is? 1 What is F1 for - is it an entertainment, a sport , a business or technical showcase ? I think it may be all four , but it only needs to be a sport , if one run in a businesslike way . 2 Is it part of the wider motorsport scene? Arguably no , it exists in a bubble and many 'fans' don't have any interest in other forms of motor sport . So , should it be part of motor sport ? Absolutely . 3 Should it operate as a homogenised closed shop? Absolutely not . 4 Is spending half a billion dollars on two absurdly complex racing cars for twenty races a year reasonable ? No , it's obscene. 5 Should the teams (including manufacturers) have a say in the future of the sport ? No - they are self interested , may walk away at any time and are completely incapable of seeing themselves as others see them . I think it is crazy that a front wing looks like a piece of kinetic art , costs 100grand and is expendable in a first corner tussle . They don't 6 Do we want races won by pit stop algorithms or by one guy overtaking another on track ? Teams don't care which - but I want 'proper 'overtaking . 7 Does any sane person really care very much about tyre compounds ? No. How ridiculous does it look to the wider world , one more concerned in 2018 about finite resources and sustainability , that in a 8 minute race an F1 car can consume 12 tyres ? My solution appeared about 100 posts back but I stick by it - we need to think about the essence of the sport before we get on to detail |
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Or even 80 minute race ....
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Yeah, it would be good if they got rid of the compulsory pitstop rule at the least. We might see a few surprises if that was the case
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I didn't think so. Maybe F1 is not for you? If that's the case, there are many other facets of auto racing that might be more suitable for you, no? Those of us that enjoy F1 can stick around. Formula One is fine just the way it is and has always been. The showcase for the very best. |
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Err ..my reply isn't etched in stone anywhere , literally or metaphorically. It's what is known as a commentary on a subject which interests me . You too I assume ? F1 not for me? I saw my first F1 race in 1971 and have loved it ever since. But , like most people who follow a sport for a very long time , I've welcomed some changes more than others . Hence my reply, which really shouldn't be too hard to understand . And there is sort of a little clue in the title of the thread , no ? People like you and me contribute to threads like this because we have something to say, even if , as in your own case , it's to the effect that everything in F1 is perfect and always has been.At least I think that's the essence of what you're trying to say ? And it really isn't difficult to be polite , even if we disagree . |
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Methinks Jim Clark From Beyond The Grave is a bit of a mixer!
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Nobody who actually knew him ever called Jim, Jimmy. Only American broadcasters and ignorant journalists used Jimmy.
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