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Old 21 Aug 2021, 12:56 (Ref:4068275)   #16
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Great news but if the Silverstone Classic is on the weekend of 29th - 31st July, 2022 then the Croft Nostalgia meeting would need to be on the second weekend of August (rather than it's traditional first weekend date) to stand a chance of great grids.
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Old 21 Aug 2021, 13:30 (Ref:4068312)   #17
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There does seem to be a reluctance from some of the southern "elite" to come north of Donington. Croft and Oulton Park always get a thinner entry ands there has never been any success getting a decent historic meeting at Knockhill.
Living in the far north of England I am amazed at the lack of knowledge of geography of some of our southern friends. One fellow competitor in the GTS series suggested Anglesey was nearer to me. I had to point out that while for me it was 200 miles to Donington it was in fact 220 to Anglesey.
It's the same with the various TV series of so called celebs touring the UK at the moment. It would seem most had never visited the Lake District let alone Scotland. What a blinkered world they live in.
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Old 21 Aug 2021, 16:55 (Ref:4068569)   #18
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Just been chatting to my mate who lives in Broughton in Furness, who is still battling to get his Alfa Junior Z out on track consistently, and we were discussing my forthcoming marathon to Brands.....as he says, he's got at least an hour before he reaches the M6, so he's at least an extra hour on top of that before he could start our journey......Croft is effectively his local circuit ......


This has just prompted me to check the distances for me to the most popular circuits - Oulton is nearest at 57 miles, just over an hour. Slightly surprising to me is that Croft is next (80 miles, 2 hours), then Donington (117, 2 hours or so). Furthest of a batch of over 200 miles is Brands at 260 miles, 4 hours plus, depending on the day
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Old 21 Aug 2021, 19:00 (Ref:4068701)   #19
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Old 21 Aug 2021, 22:11 (Ref:4069009)   #20
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There does seem to be a reluctance from some of the southern "elite" to come north of Donington. Croft and Oulton Park always get a thinner entry ands there has never been any success getting a decent historic meeting at Knockhill.
Living in the far north of England I am amazed at the lack of knowledge of geography of some of our southern friends. One fellow competitor in the GTS series suggested Anglesey was nearer to me. I had to point out that while for me it was 200 miles to Donington it was in fact 220 to Anglesey.
It's the same with the various TV series of so called celebs touring the UK at the moment. It would seem most had never visited the Lake District let alone Scotland. What a blinkered world they live in.
It works both ways... I'm mainly involved with the HSCC and some people from the North West complain bitterly about having to drive to Brands for the Superprix in early July (and several don't bother) yet those of us in the South endure August Bank Holiday traffic to get to and from Oulton for the Gold Cup meeting every year.

As midgetman says, once you got to Dover (in happier times) then the real driving could start. We had a very good entry of Historic FF2000 cars at Pau which is well over 1000km from Calais. Most of our guys were towing a trailer behind a small motorhome or camper.

It doesn't matter if it's Croft or Charade - it's all down to having a spirit of adventure...
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Old 22 Aug 2021, 08:08 (Ref:4069553)   #21
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Exactly, Alan. Back in the 60s, we used to journey up to Oulton twice a year which meant a 6 or 7 hour journey over a Friday night after we had all worked a very full day. After the Saturday race, we then drove down to Mallory for a race on the Sunday.

Unfortunately, we didn't have the luxury of a camper van, so we either slept in the tow car or under the stars on the trailer. And this in the days when the M6 was still only a dream, so it was all cross country from just after Watford Gap services.
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Old 22 Aug 2021, 09:51 (Ref:4069602)   #22
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I remember racing at Thruxton (for the first time) in the mid-70s and arriving at the circuit around 10-00pm we noticed the gate from paddock to circuit was open so we did a couple of laps in the tow car, with trailer and racecar attached, to see which way the corners went. Not sure if the knowledge helped in practice the next day.


In those days Thruxton offered bunk rooms in a wooden building for competitors at very reasonable rates - certainly cheaper than a hotel. Does anyone else remember them?
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Old 22 Aug 2021, 11:36 (Ref:4069643)   #23
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Exactly, Alan. Back in the 60s, we used to journey up to Oulton twice a year which meant a 6 or 7 hour journey over a Friday night after we had all worked a very full day. After the Saturday race, we then drove down to Mallory for a race on the Sunday.

Unfortunately, we didn't have the luxury of a camper van, so we either slept in the tow car or under the stars on the trailer. And this in the days when the M6 was still only a dream, so it was all cross country from just after Watford Gap services.
Sorry to be pedantic Mike, but as Mallory Park is in Leicestershire it would have been the (extended in later years) M1 you would have used, and not the M6 which heads off to Birmingham & beyond!
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Old 22 Aug 2021, 14:29 (Ref:4069796)   #24
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Sorry to be pedantic Mike, but as Mallory Park is in Leicestershire it would have been the (extended in later years) M1 you would have used, and not the M6 which heads off to Birmingham & beyond!

I'm even sorrier that you have tried to be pedantic, Viv! But we would nowadays travel to Oulton on the M6, picking it up from just after Watford Gap, as well as using it on the return when going to Mallory before going home on the Sunday evening. And from Mallory we would have gone back to the M1 for our trip to North London.
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In the 60s and70s we used to travel to most tracks in the UK, now it normally takes longer to get to most of them even with all the motorways, because of the congestion !
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And this in the days when the M6 was still only a dream, so it was all cross country from just after Watford Gap services.
Mike,

It has been a very long time since the M6 converted from dream to nightmare.

Ditto the M1.

In the late 80s, with the M25 open, I could be fairly confident of doing the run to see relatives in Surrey in 2 hours, door to door. Sometimes a few minutes under.

It was 132 or 136 miles, depending on who we were heading for first, and, but for a mile or so either end, was dual carriageway or motorway all the way so achieving an average speed of around the national limit was not unreasonable.

By the 90's it was not possible to achieve that sort of time even in the middle of the night.

By the time the reason for the journeys disappeared a good run would be about 3 hours. An exceptional run might be 2.5 hours. A bad run closer to 5 hours. And all much more tiring.

I find that as one ages that is not such an attractive "leisure" proposition. BUt that's just a personal point of view based on a comparison with a distant past.
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I've never been to Croft, OP and Cadwell are both great circuits in great locations, however the journey is torturous . . . nearly 7 hours last time we went to OP and that was over 10 years ago. When compared to what (was on offer at say Spa ( similar journey time, more than twice as much action/driving) its a no brainer from Sussex.

we've been here before, basically travelling round the uk to circuits is slow and unpleasant, particularly towing. journey times outweigh the fun factor.

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Mike,

It has been a very long time since the M6 converted from dream to nightmare.

Ditto the M1.

In the late 80s, with the M25 open, I could be fairly confident of doing the run to see relatives in Surrey in 2 hours, door to door. Sometimes a few minutes under.

It was 132 or 136 miles, depending on who we were heading for first, and, but for a mile or so either end, was dual carriageway or motorway all the way so achieving an average speed of around the national limit was not unreasonable.

By the 90's it was not possible to achieve that sort of time even in the middle of the night.

By the time the reason for the journeys disappeared a good run would be about 3 hours. An exceptional run might be 2.5 hours. A bad run closer to 5 hours. And all much more tiring.

I find that as one ages that is not such an attractive "leisure" proposition. BUt that's just a personal point of view based on a comparison with a distant past.
Sadly I agree, also for work, in the early/mid 90's I travelled the uk a lot for work, Solihull from Brighton in a little over 2 hours, M1 from BTN in an hour, Liverpool just under 4 hrs . . . Sillystone used to be 2 hrs. I wouldn't want to be doing any of that now, thankfully its not that necessary any more.

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Late decision - hoping to get there tomorrow (Sunday) to spectate. Weather seems set fair.
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Good weather, decent grids for Oulton and some good races. All 4 variations of the FF were excellent races and also enjoyed the Guards race up until the pitstops.
Car clubs seemed fewer than in other years but there appeared to be a decent crowd.
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