ALMS 2009 Discussion - Page 112

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 20:10 (Ref:2523923)

No Challenge cars at Mosport because it is too much of an ALMS class. Does this mean we have sub 20 cars entered for one of the best attended rounds in the championship?

Chris

fieldodreams79 · 18 Aug 2009, 20:40 (Ref:2523943)

if we do the math from the past weekend's race, we will have 20.
no one damaged the car too much at RoadAMR did they?

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 20:48 (Ref:2523949)

Cytosport won't be at Mosport IIRC. Or at least that is what I read on mariantic.

Also Primetime could be in doubt, and the Robertsons arrived but didn't run last year.

Chris

dxk1 · 18 Aug 2009, 20:52 (Ref:2523955)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

Cytosport won't be at Mosport IIRC. Or at least that is what I read on mariantic.

Chris

I think you are right as Greg Pickett was quoted as saying that they were taking to car "home" to get it ready for PLM.

DK

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2009, 20:55 (Ref:2523956)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxk1

I think you are right as Greg Pickett was quoted as saying that they were taking to car "home" to get it ready for PLM.

DK

read full on 2009 ACO spec set up for Petit with intentions of going after a Le Mans invite next year!

But I could be wrong.

L.P.

carsten66 · 18 Aug 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2523961)

Any news from Vici? Even their website reports are ending with Lime Rock... strange thing. I hope we will see the no 18 at least at PL back on the grid...

**joeb** · 18 Aug 2009, 21:01 (Ref:2523965)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

read full on 2009 ACO spec set up for Petit with intentions of going after a Le Mans invite next year!

But I could be wrong.

L.P.

I like that idea!

That got me to thinking that for the equalizing of the P1 and P2 classes next season, it will be slightly different from the 2006-08 rules because of the differences in rear wing width in the ALMS. I would like to see that either put back to the old rear wing widths for all, or the new ones for all, but I know thats going to cost money for somebody.

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 21:06 (Ref:2523969)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

I like that idea!

That got me to thinking that for the equalizing of the P1 and P2 classes next season, it will be slightly different from the 2006-08 rules because of the differences in rear wing width in the ALMS. I would like to see that either put back to the old rear wing widths for all, or the new ones for all, but I know thats going to cost money for somebody.

Before I say "Thanks for a stupid change ACO!" may I ask if the smaller rear wing has in any way made the cars safer?

Chris

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2009, 21:15 (Ref:2523975)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeb

I like that idea!

Well they are likely the only P-2 that will be at ACO spec., so would be the only eligible car in class at Petit.

L.P.

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2009, 21:20 (Ref:2523981)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

Before I say "Thanks for a stupid change ACO!" may I ask if the smaller rear wing has in any way made the cars safer?

Chris

?That is a subjective question that has a very complex answer. Let me ask this, do you think that the change hampered or lessened the gains acheived this year? That was the main goal of the change, which is viewed as a plus in the safty column, by the ACO, I believe.

L.P.

gsmith2424 · 18 Aug 2009, 21:20 (Ref:2523982)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Well they are likely the only P-2 that will be at ACO spec., so would be the only eligible car in class at Petit.

L.P.

Very true but my thing would also be now is that would they also be able to get the ALMS champion invite for LeMans as seeing they were the only team to run to ACO spec all year?

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2523988)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

?That is a subjective question that has a very complex answer. Let me ask this, do you think that the change hampered or lessened the gains acheived this year? That was the main goal of the change, which is viewed as a plus in the safty column, by the ACO, I believe.

L.P.

Fair enough. Certainly lap times at Le Mans were lessened. But The P1 Acuras are either the quickest cars on the planet, or in the U.S. the smaller wing hasn't taken too much away. My comment really has to do with adding cost to the racing teams. I guess the ALMS teams will have to get the ACO spec wings because they will be required to have them at Sebring and PLM and thus the LMP class will have smaller wings. Regardless, the only downside is in cost.

Chris

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2523989)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsmith2424

Very true but my thing would also be now is that would they also be able to get the ALMS champion invite for LeMans as seeing they were the only team to run to ACO spec all year?

Hmm, well let me ask this; Why do you think that only Sebring and Petit will be run as seperate Prototype classes next year?

L.P.

Jonerz · 18 Aug 2009, 21:41 (Ref:2524000)

Umm, to attract European teams to test for Le Mans, at least for Sebring. And Petit they want to literally be a Petit Le Mans in that it is a world-wide major endurance event on the same level as Le Mans?

Chris

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2009, 22:01 (Ref:2524014)

Because Petit is an auto qualifier for Le Mans!! If you win/are the highest placing ACO legal car you get an auto-invite!

L.P.

CTD · 18 Aug 2009, 22:10 (Ref:2524020)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Because Petit is an auto qualifier for Le Mans!! If you win/are the highest placing ACO legal car you get an auto-invite!

Which is worth a lot of money, if you isn't going to use it yourself!

dxk1 · 18 Aug 2009, 23:23 (Ref:2524040)

Well, the IMSA web-site just posted the Mosport Entry List and it looks quite sparse indeed, just 19 cars. While the Muscle Milk Porsche is not on the P2 list VDS is back; however, Corsa is gone from P1. The usual cast of characters is back for GT2, which should be the highlight of the race. As was discussed earlier, no Challenge cars this round.

DK

gsmith2424 · 19 Aug 2009, 01:08 (Ref:2524075)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

Umm, to attract European teams to test for Le Mans, at least for Sebring. And Petit they want to literally be a Petit Le Mans in that it is a world-wide major endurance event on the same level as Le Mans?

Chris

What Dawg said for PLM but as far as Sebring goes that is another story. Up to this point Sebring has never been a auto invite event for LeMans. I believe the reason they want to run Sebring at full ACO spec is to get teams here that want to have a good race/test under there belt before LM. They could not do this if it was going to be run to the ALMS rules for LMP cars.

broadrun96 · 19 Aug 2009, 01:44 (Ref:2524078)

But a good run at Sebring in a fully compliant car could earn some points for the team's desire and ability to run at LM later that year. There are always a few teams that need a good show somewhere at Sebring is known as a tough race, and if they run it under the ACO rulebook it gives these teams, US or Euros, a chance to show off.

davehenrie · 19 Aug 2009, 01:45 (Ref:2524079)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

Before I say "Thanks for a stupid change ACO!" may I ask if the smaller rear wing has in any way made the cars safer?

Chris

Tomas Enge, Ask Charouz, ask the Pesca pilot at the Dunlop corners...(brain fade, can't remember his name)

Some will say, yes they are safer becasue they are slower, others will say they are more dangerous because downforce is sacrificed to make up some of the lost laptimes
dh

CTD · 19 Aug 2009, 06:43 (Ref:2524150)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsmith2424

What Dawg said for PLM but as far as Sebring goes that is another story. Up to this point Sebring has never been a auto invite event for LeMans. I believe the reason they want to run Sebring at full ACO spec is to get teams here that want to have a good race/test under there belt before LM. They could not do this if it was going to be run to the ALMS rules for LMP cars.

Sebring doesn't give auto invites, but certanly does make your chances for getting a Le Mans entry a h*ll of lot better!
I remember one year where WR planned for running at Sebring, to get an invite to LM (unfortunately neither happened)

prototype · 19 Aug 2009, 12:55 (Ref:2524374)

The ACO has published the full entry for Le Mans list the last two years before Sebring. This was done to give the invited teams more time to seek sponsors I believe. The old way was nice when cars would try to run well at Sebring to boost their invite chances to Le Mans.

Gingers4Justice · 19 Aug 2009, 15:40 (Ref:2524444)

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTD

Sebring doesn't give auto invites, but certanly does make your chances for getting a Le Mans entry a h*ll of lot better!
I remember one year where WR planned for running at Sebring, to get an invite to LM (unfortunately neither happened)

I doubt a WR could last a lap without shedding itself to bits on the Sebring surface. You were probably need all the gaffer tape in Florida to keep that things running for 12 hours there.

Jonerz · 19 Aug 2009, 15:54 (Ref:2524451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxk1

Well, the IMSA web-site just posted the Mosport Entry List and it looks quite sparse indeed, just 19 cars. While the Muscle Milk Porsche is not on the P2 list VDS is back; however, Corsa is gone from P1. The usual cast of characters is back for GT2, which should be the highlight of the race. As was discussed earlier, no Challenge cars this round.

DK

Kind of a bummer that Corsa isn't on the list. The car was suffering from an incurable vibration last I heard. That makes me wonder if the team is going to take the time to try and sort it out through testing, rather than sending the car and its drivers from the frying pan into the fire that is Mosport's fast, tight, dangerous 2.4 miles.

Chris

JHamilton · 19 Aug 2009, 17:02 (Ref:2524481)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

No Challenge cars at Mosport because it is too much of an ALMS class. Does this mean we have sub 20 cars entered for one of the best attended rounds in the championship?

Chris

I didn't know this, but that's a good thing in my mind. I was mulling over the dangers of the challenge cars at Mosport during the RA race.

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